2015 Fleet Service thread

[ograc]

Ready reserve, unlimited part time, the loss of represented jobs. IMO...these issues should not even be considered, by a Collective Bargaining Representative of the members, at carriers forecasted to make millions and billions respectively. Then again, in the end, it is up to the membership to decide. However, there is a history of the membership ratifying sub par TAs. 

 

[robbedagain]

your welcome 700 Merry Xmas to you and to all  if any is working ( like me a chose to pick up a swap) be safe ​

 

[Worldport]

Since the Association (TWU and IAM negotiators 6 each) aren't even sitting down with the company till January 11, how are these deals already done? Remember you had a TOTAL and COMPLETE red herring on ALL the things you said on here that were going to happen for the US standalone agreement.

Tim if this person who is supposedly telling YOU these things is the same guy as the last time, why are you listening to him? I seem to remember the last time you called this mole of yours Wikileaks. Are we going to call your source Edward Snowden this time?

But yes I do agree that those Ready Reserves should not have to pay $72 if they are? Do you have written verifiable proof that that is what they are paying?

Tim is probably right on the health care I can't see them giving  us a "better" health plan even with the Cadillac tax being moved back two years. I say let the R/R pay the $72 maybe that will make them quit.Or perhaps you would like to make it easy for the company to replace you

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim is probably right on the health care I can't see them giving  us a "better" health plan even with the Cadillac tax being moved back two years. I say let the R/R pay the $72 maybe that will make them quit.Or perhaps you would like to make it easy for the company to replace you

We do not have Ready Reserve at AA and we will not see RR at AA either. I would not vote for any language that allows that here either. I believe Tim was talking about another airline. One much much smaller than ours and that generates much lower revenue or earnings.

And it's not about getting a better health care plan, it's about finding one with lower rates or lowering the percentage of the total costs we pay. The company going smoke free will help them secure a lower rate as well. Plus more participants in a plan also should help lower the rates as well?

 

[AANOTOK]

And it's not about getting a better health care plan, it's about finding one with lower rates or lowering the percentage of the total costs we pay. The company going smoke free will help them secure a lower rate as well. Plus more participants in a plan also should help lower the rates as well?

In "theory".

 

[Worldport]

We do not have Ready Reserve at AA and we will not see RR at AA either. I would not vote for any language that allows that here either. I believe Tim was talking about another airline. One much much smaller than ours and that generates much lower revenue or earnings.

And it's not about getting a better health care plan, it's about finding one with lower rates or lowering the percentage of the total costs we pay. The company going smoke free will help them secure a lower rate as well. Plus more participants in a plan also should help lower the rates as well?

What did Parker say  at the last crew news? UA and DL workrules I would think they will try to get R/R. I hope I'm wrong

 

[WeAAsles]

What did Parker say  at the last crew news? UA and DL workrules I would think they will try to get R/R. I hope I'm wrong

UA doesn't have RR and Parker was able to get RR language in the US contract through bankruptcy but he never used it and the IAM were able to negotiate that out by saying that essentially he didn't pull the trigger on it anyway. I doubt very much that any of the negotiators would jump on that one especially on the TWU side. TWU does 2 times the hourly rate for dues, so why would they agree to something that brings them in a fixed payment if those guys are stuck on $12.00 max.

I like our way of setting dues way better than the IAM and have said that from day 1.

 

[Worldport]

UA doesn't have RR and Parker was able to get RR language in the US contract through bankruptcy but he never used it and the IAM were able to negotiate that out by saying that essentially he didn't pull the trigger on it anyway. I doubt very much that any of the negotiators would jump on that one especially on the TWU side. TWU does 2 times the hourly rate for dues, so why would they agree to something that brings them in a fixed payment if those guys are stuck on $12.00 max.

I like our way of setting dues way better than the IAM and have said that from day 1.

I thought UA had them in new contract, I goofed

 

[WeAAsles]

I thought UA had them in new contract, I goofed

DL has them big time and it looks like those ranks are growing? Kev believes they are and if he says so, I'll fly with it.

They still have RR in the agents contract upstairs but they had it before. Again I personally believe it's not going to come our way?

 

[700UW]

Actually Parker wasn't CEO during bankruptcy at US at all. RR was in the ramp CBA, after bankruptcy part one but was never utilized.

Parker agreed with the IAM and RR was removed during Section 6 negotiations.

 

[WeAAsles]

Actually Parker wasn't CEO during bankruptcy at US at all. RR was in the ramp CBA, after bankruptcy part one but was never utilized.
Parker agreed with the IAM and RR was removed during Section 6 negotiations.

Thank you for the correction 700.

So you'd have to think if Parker was going to ask for it, he wouldn't have agreed to remove the language only a short while ago.

 

[Worldport]

Thank you for the correction 700.

So you'd have to think if Parker was going to ask for it, he wouldn't have agreed to remove the language only a short while ago.

Apply that theory to LUS scope, its much better than ours not even close

 

[WeAAsles]

Apply that theory to LUS scope, its much better than ours not even close

The current possible placemat language protecting all the stations they currently are in is way better than what we have currently. At least I'd like to see those cities grandfathered in and then the overall language for staffing and restaffing be much better than our (BK) language.

I really would like to see cities closed recently and a long time ago be reopened. Hell maybe even cities that closed back in the mid 90's and let people who's 10 year recall dropped off get first dibs?

Personally I'd like to see more traffic go to FLL as well. Depending on the seniority I'd rather work closer to where I live.

 

[Kev3188]

What did Parker say  at the last crew news? UA and DL workrules I would think they will try to get R/R. I hope I'm wrong

DL doesn't have work rules...

 

[Jester]

The current possible placemat language protecting all the stations they currently are in is way better than what we have currently. At least I'd like to see those cities grandfathered in and then the overall language for staffing and restaffing be much better than our (BK) language.

I really would like to see cities closed recently and a long time ago be reopened. Hell maybe even cities that closed back in the mid 90's and let people who's 10 year recall dropped off get first dibs?

Personally I'd like to see more traffic go to FLL as well. Depending on the seniority I'd rather work closer to where I live.

 
Yes, I completely agree, as I would like to see some "claw back" of outsourced stations back under the scope, and not lose any current ones.  In addition, much of my support will be based upon the language of recall rights, as I think PHX might be on the chopping block. I know many furloughed full-time LAS guys who would like to see preference in full-time openings in their home station under a JCBA instead of it simply being Date-of-Hire system wide, so protective language would be also helpful for those in PHX, as well.