2015 Fleet Service thread

[AANOTOK]

I looked up what HA has made for profit so far this year compared to AA. 144 million profit for HA, 4.329 billion for AA. 144 million would take AA 9 days to make that profit. My thought is not a good comparison. How do you compare ability to pay an employee at Frank's burger stand to McDonalds? Dunno.

What's the headcount difference?

 

[robbedagain]

ll have to ask our FSA folks who dump the lavs and fill the water tanks if theyre crap dumpers and how they feel about it
 
given that we have multi semi long range and long range flights AA policy is we dump lavs  and fill the water tanks on all the following flights... DFW, PHX, MIA, AND technically suppose to do CLT but those usually are done before they come in  Plus we also dump the JFK and ORD commuter flights   So are we pooper dumpsters or what

 

[Tim Nelson]

ll have to ask our FSA folks who dump the lavs and fill the water tanks if theyre crap dumpers and how they feel about it
 
given that we have multi semi long range and long range flights AA policy is we dump lavs  and fill the water tanks on all the following flights... DFW, PHX, MIA, AND technically suppose to do CLT but those usually are done before they come in  Plus we also dump the JFK and ORD commuter flights   So are we pooper dumpsters or what

some of us are crap dumpers too. If you are too sensitive for the term then oh well sorry you got your feelings hurt.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

I looked up what HA has made for profit so far this year compared to AA. 144 million profit for HA, 4.329 billion for AA. 144 million would take AA 9 days to make that profit. My thought is not a good comparison. How do you compare ability to pay an employee at Frank's burger stand to McDonalds? Dunno.

Look goofball, did you just vote yes on the eboard again even though you didn't do your own research?  What you said is moronic.  You don't even realize that line servicemen make $24.56 an hour, which is a helluva lot more than rampers who were pawned up for the MX again.   So, even though you want to use McDonald comparisons [which is also moronic], you still have your head up your arse since the wages of line servicemen DON"T prove your point.   But you didn't know that as you were more than happy voting yes on the eboard once again.   Don't F up our talks and toss out catering.  Got it?  And don't bring back any F up language that softens our scope.  Catering survived bankruptcy twice, we don't need your weak arse handing it to management when we are making BILLIONS.  Got it chief?
 
Shameful that you would vote yes to this BS then come under here under your bandit handle and support the following:

"It is understood that it will not be considered a violation of this Agreement for employees in the Line Serviceman or Lead Line Serviceman classifications to assist Ramp Service in the external servicing of aircraft within the gate area when they are not engaged in their own specific job functions. This assistance shall be restricted to the following specific work:
 Assist with the handling of Jet Bridge bags, strollers and other passenger items  Assist with loading and unloading of baggage and cargo at the bottom of the belt loaders  Assist with moving containers on and off of dollies to the FMC Loaders  Assist with guiding of servicing equipment within the gate area.
Line Service shall perform these tasks under the direct supervision of their respective classification Lead. "
 
 
 
regards,

 

[Kev3188]

I looked up what HA has made for profit so far this year compared to AA. 144 million profit for HA, 4.329 billion for AA. 144 million would take AA 9 days to make that profit. My thought is not a good comparison. How do you compare ability to pay an employee at Frank's burger stand to McDonalds? Dunno.

 
 What difference does it make?

Even if that was a valid comparison to make, do you really want to make your case based on what McDonalds pays it's people?

 

[Black Magic]

I thought the IAM was against ready reserves...you know, can't be like the non union Delta. So much for that hypocrisy!! How can this be??

 

[Tim Nelson]

SayWhat sits on the eboard. 
 
Here is what the ebaord thinks of handing over work to aircraft servicing; having a no layoff protection letter for aircraft servicing but not rampers; and agreeing to the worst ready reserve in the industry;

“These agreements provide our members the wages and benefits they deserve,” said Mike Klemm, President of IAM Districts 141,  I want to thank the negotiating committees for the long hours and the commitment on behalf of the membership.  Negotiations between IAM and Hawaiian Airlines have been ongoing since December 2013. “Now the membership can be proud to share in the success of this growing Airline with Collective Bargaining Agreements that rewards their hard work,” continued Klemm.
 
His words, not mine.  I think his words speak for the sorry arse state of our union leadership.
 
regards,

 

[700UW]

And in Tim zealous to bash the IAM and Klemm, without even reading their old CBA.
 
The current CBA ALL READY contains the ready reserve and the same part time cap.
 
You know Tim, actually researching and educating yourself before you go off on your rants, would actually be beneficial.
 
Now  you are just showing your hatred for 141 and Klemm.
 
Let me repost the links, since you clearly NEVER read the current CBA.
 
 

Instead of people who dont even work for HA as they pass judgement, people need to inform themselves, here is the current CBA in its entirety:

http://www.iam141.org/docs/HA2014clerical.pdf
 
And here is the new language.
 
http://www.iam141.org/Hawaiian/docs/IAM-Clerical-v14_v12.10.15.pdf
 
Read them both, compare then pass judgement.
 
Tim doesnt work for HA, never negotiated any CBA in the airline business, people that work for HA, and have participated in Collective Bargaining have, I am not passing any judgement on the TA, until I read the current CBA and new one.
 
But not posting the whole story, is typical Tim behavior.  Its his personal agenda to discredit any IAM leadership, especially DL 141 President Mike Klemm.
See Tim got Delaney elected and turned on him when Delaney wouldnt be Tim's puppet.

He did the same behavior for UA during TA2, he doesnt work for UA, tried to tell them how to vote, yet UA IAM members ratified the CBA.
 
Guess they dont care about Timmy and his quest for power and money, as he has lost EVERY single district office he has ran for and International Office.

 

[Kev3188]

The current CBA ALL READY contains the ready reserve and the same part time cap.

That's a fair point, but begs the question of why 141 didn't either eliminate this language or at a minimum try to mitigate it. Same story with the PT cap.

 

[700UW]

That's a fair point, but begs the question of why 141 didn't either eliminate this language or at a minimum try to mitigate it. Same story with the PT cap.

I totally agree with you Kevin.

But he goes off on his rants, and doesnt even take the time to educate himself, that is why he just makes himself look like a bitter person who cant win an election.

 

[WeAAsles]

That's a fair point, but begs the question of why 141 didn't either eliminate this language or at a minimum try to mitigate it. Same story with the PT cap.

Can the IAM or any Union for that matter just take a pencil and eliminate language they don't like? 2 years negotiating you have to think of course they argued over it?

Should they have taken it all the way through the NMB process and maybe even gone on strike because of it? How large a workforce do they have? How hard would it be for HA to replace them if they agreed to self help?

Your group is a lot bigger Kev and would probably be near impossible to replace.

 

[saywhat]

Look goofball, did you just vote yes on the eboard again even though you didn't do your own research?  What you said is moronic.  You don't even realize that line servicemen make $24.56 an hour, which is a helluva lot more than rampers who were pawned up for the MX again.   So, even though you want to use McDonald comparisons [which is also moronic], you still have your head up your arse since the wages of line servicemen DON"T prove your point.   But you didn't know that as you were more than happy voting yes on the eboard once again.   Don't F up our talks and toss out catering.  Got it?  And don't bring back any F up language that softens our scope.  Catering survived bankruptcy twice, we don't need your weak arse handing it to management when we are making BILLIONS.  Got it chief?
 
Shameful that you would vote yes to this BS then come under here under your bandit handle and support the following:"It is understood that it will not be considered a violation of this Agreement for employees in the Line Serviceman or Lead Line Serviceman classifications to assist Ramp Service in the external servicing of aircraft within the gate area when they are not engaged in their own specific job functions. This assistance shall be restricted to the following specific work:
 Assist with the handling of Jet Bridge bags, strollers and other passenger items  Assist with loading and unloading of baggage and cargo at the bottom of the belt loaders  Assist with moving containers on and off of dollies to the FMC Loaders  Assist with guiding of servicing equipment within the gate area.
Line Service shall perform these tasks under the direct supervision of their respective classification Lead. "
 
 
 
regards,

Wow,

I didn't say anything about that deal other than that is such a small Company that you can't really compare to AA, DL or UA. As for eboard, paranoid or what, not even close. Not calling anybody's point about that deal wrong or right, just think hard to compare.

 

[700UW]

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2014%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Productivity/Individual%20Employee%20Data/Hawaiian%20Airlines%20Employee%20Data%20and%20Analysis.htm

 

[saywhat]

What difference does it make?Even if that was a valid comparison to make, do you really want to make your case based on what McDonalds pays it's people?

No, you missed my point. It isn't necessarily what a Company pays but their ability to pay because of size, dominance, etc.

 

[Worldport]

I thought the IAM was against ready reserves...you know, can't be like the non union Delta. So much for that hypocrisy!! How can this be?? How can 699 spin this?

As long as you pay dues the IAM couldn't care less if you were ready reserve or a farm animal