2015 Fleet Service thread

[AANOTOK]

From what is being said, and so far thankfully the Association isn't biting, the company does want a quick resolution but underestimated the union. They felt by throwing the nice monetary number out there, everything else would be less relevant (concessions) and they could get a quick TA, get it to the members and get a yes vote easily. AA mistakenly showed there hand earlier on in uniforms discussion by mentioning the outsourcing of cargo and catering. They have now changed their tune but not the message. Again, so far and the reason it is dragging, is we have negotiators from both the IAM and TWU who say they will not bring back anything to it's members that is considered a giveback or concession. I salute them for that and hope the maintain that view.

 

[AANOTOK]

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[Worldport]

I still question why did the donkeys hire the union busting firm if they supposenly allegedly want to get these contracts settled like yesterday   it just goes to show these donkeys are never to be trusted

Very good point Robbed for those LAA that don't know Jerry Glass represents a very dark time in LUS history. Im not going to tell you our bad financials were his fault but he was there during several cuts. Despite the alcohol I usually have a pretty good memory but this period is kind of foggy things were that bad heck we took a 5% (On top of the other cuts) cut with the second Iraq invasion. To some having Glass in negotiations would be tantamount to having Eastern people sit with Lorenzo and TWA Icahn. Definitely not a way to improve employee relations

 

[Black Magic]

From what is being said, and so far thankfully the Association isn't biting, the company does want a quick resolution but underestimated the union. They felt by throwing the nice monetary number out there, everything else would be less relevant (concessions) and they could get a quick TA, get it to the members and get a yes vote easily. AA mistakenly showed there hand earlier on in uniforms discussion by mentioning the outsourcing of cargo and catering. They have now changed their tune but not the message. Again, so far and the reason it is dragging, is we have negotiators from both the IAM and TWU who say they will not bring back anything to it's members that is considered a giveback or concession. I salute them for that and hope the maintain that view.

 
IF that is indeed the case, then the membership is going to have to decide whether or not it is going to accept some concessions or strap in for the long haul and wait for section 6 negotiations.  The union has no leverage in this matter if push comes to shove.  When employees are losing $800+ a month people will start eating their own from what I've seen.

 

[DFWFSC]

IF that is indeed the case, then the membership is going to have to decide whether or not it is going to accept some concessions or strap in for the long haul and wait for section 6 negotiations.  The union has no leverage in this matter if push comes to shove.  When employees are losing $800+ a month people will start eating their own from what I've seen.

I agree. The NC will keep rejecting concessionary proposals and that cat and mouse game may last quite a while until the membership gets restless and demands something to vote on no matter how crappy it may be. And unfortunately it will pass because most folks are in it for the money.

 

[bob@las-AA]

I agree. The NC will keep rejecting concessionary proposals and that cat and mouse game may last quite a while until the membership gets restless and demands something to vote on no matter how crappy it may be. And unfortunately it will pass because most folks are in it for the money.

All the folks are in it for the money, don't kid yourself in thinking otherwise.

 

[DFWFSC]

All the folks are in it for the money, don't kid yourself in thinking otherwise.

Maybe... maybe not. Still over 200 people at DFW who were Rif'd when they outsourced all those cities back in Nov,2012. Most of them put scope and no-outsourcing before the money...they'd rather be back home with their families.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Maybe... maybe not. Still over 200 people at DFW who were Rif'd when they outsourced all those cities back in Nov,2012. Most of them put scope and no-outsourcing before the money...they'd rather be back home with their families.

And that's the key, they sill hold out hope that what ever city they were RIFed from will be reopened. For those who were, they will have to make a choice. Move here or retire early. I have a very strong feeling, and it's always been done this way, our contract will be exactly like the agents. And for the commuters, the CS policy will mean an end to most of them.  

 

[robbedagain]

No Bob. I prefer enhancing scope then money

 

[WeAAsles]

And that's the key, they sill hold out hope that what ever city they were RIFed from will be reopened. For those who were, they will have to make a choice. Move here or retire early. I have a very strong feeling, and it's always been done this way, our contract will be exactly like the agents. And for the commuters, the CS policy will mean an end to most of them.

Bob your very strong feelings are more than likely wrong. Besides the fact that when the operation is made whole and we are integrated there will be movement. Some cities that are currently staffed by one or the other group will give people the opportunity to move in to those places, others who didn't take the "preferential hiring" opportunity will eventually make their way back in.

The Station Staffing methodology I'm quite sure myself will not remain what it currently is that was forced on the TWU side at the hands of a BK gun. So that change in language will open up opportunities for people to return to places that were closed off to them. It may even open up opportunities to cities that we lost before you even hired on at the airline?

Besides the fact that all the airlines know that the sub contracted companies have been underperforming in customer service and the only way an airline is going to be able to differentiate itself is going to be in providing the most premier product against its competitors.

You do know there's a huge spotlight on those numbers that customers watch don't you? DOT stats.

 

[WeAAsles]

And that's the key, they sill hold out hope that what ever city they were RIFed from will be reopened. For those who were, they will have to make a choice. Move here or retire early. I have a very strong feeling, and it's always been done this way, our contract will be exactly like the agents. And for the commuters, the CS policy will mean an end to most of them.

And on another note to this comment. In the past whatever WE negotiated was usually given to the agents as well. Essentially because they were non union the company let them ride our coattails to keep some continuity.

The Agents now have a Union of their own so there absolutely will be differences in what they've negotiated for their members as opposed to what ours will for us.

I'm sure there will be some similarities though. But probably more so on Vacations, Shift Differential, Hollidays and one or two other items that seem to be heading to universal in the company for all?

 

[Worldport]

And that's the key, they sill hold out hope that what ever city they were RIFed from will be reopened. For those who were, they will have to make a choice. Move here or retire early. I have a very strong feeling, and it's always been done this way, our contract will be exactly like the agents. And for the commuters, the CS policy will mean an end to most of them.  

What policy is that? By your "tone" it seems that you enjoy seeing other people struggle. Despite all your effort not everyone is going to be miserable

 

[WeAAsles]

What policy is that? By your "tone" it seems that you enjoy seeing other people struggle. Despite all your effort not everyone is going to be miserable

Even if the policy becomes a little more restrictive once it becomes language, there will still be plenty of flexibility for people who still need or want to commute.

Bob only wants them to quit so he can move up in seniority.

Not cool Bob.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Even if the policy becomes a little more restrictive once it becomes language, there will still be plenty of flexibility for people who still need or want to commute.
Bob only wants them to quit so he can move up in seniority.
Not cool Bob.

That's how this thing works weez, out with the old and in with the new.

 

[700UW]

That's how this thing works weez, out with the old and in with the new.

No it does not.
 
Go apply for a management job already.