2015 Fleet Service thread

[Black Magic]

 
A strange circumstance. Both parties agreeing to open contract negotiations, on a previously ratified agreement, well before the original amendable date. A strange twist. When there are concessions on the Duration of an Agreement we enter into uncharted waters. Which party benefits remains to be seen. Uncertainty, is certainly, ahead! 
 

Sewing up a deal now rather than later and locking it in for 5+ years is cheaper and saves the company $ in the long run.  Watch and learn kiddos..this is how big business is done!  

 

[WeAAsles]

Sewing up a deal now rather than later and locking it in for 5+ years is cheaper and saves the company $ in the long run.  Watch and learn kiddos..this is how big business is done!  

Alright since obviously you seem to be brighter than many of us who participate on these boards, when would you feel is the right time to lock in? Of course again if you want to talk about a true up against Delta one more time, it's not going to happen. Since all work groups except Pilots are non union that means there would be too much uncertainty attached to having a true up against a non contracted comparative. 

Since I'm sure you'll argue. Let's put in a hypothetical and gauge your response? Let's say Delta decides in a year or two to increase rates by another 20% down the line and we have that true up. What happens if the economy tanks a few more years out and Delta decides it needs to take a percentage back? Let's say 10%. Would you also agree to have writing in our contract that states we also would have to give back 10% to keep American competitive to those lowered rates? 

You also kind of make it sound like you think the Company if we (or UAL) lock in is going to have a Ha Ha gotcha moment with unforeseen Godly future profits? Ok well looking at the rates for Fleet I'm seeing an almost set jump to about $65,000 per year in BASE pay. That doesn't include my benefits which may average about another $15,000 taking me to about $80,000 in pay and benefits. So are you going to try and sell to me that $80,000 is unreasonable and maybe I should be holding out for more? Again not to mention if AA does have Godly future profits I'll now be sharing in a portion of that wealth through Profit Sharing (Which is a variable form of compensation)

Please don't ever put yourself in a position where you'll be negotiating for me, or anyone else for that matter. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Let's talk Retirement advances.

So looking at the new TA for UAL they were able to secure a larger contribution to their IAMPF and they still have a 401k match as well. So next year the Pension contributions increase to $1.85 maxing out to $2.05 in 2021.

On the 401k it's a tiered approach maxing out if you have 15 years or more to 50% of the Employees Pre Tax contributions up to 6% IE: Maximum match of 3%

On the US side currently all they have is the IAMPF with a current contribution of $1.15 for Full Time and $.75 for Part Time with no 401k contribution from the company.

On the AA side we have a 401k Match of 5.5% on every dollar we contribute into our plan. And we have no IAMPF.

It seems to me that looking at all other airlines retirement contributions we are below and at the bottom in that benefit area. The PSA agents in their contract were only able to secure a continuation of the 5.5% Match and from what I hear in the new Dispatcher TA they also only secured the same 5.5% Match.

Is this the best that AA is going to want to do to when it comes to Retirement compensation? And with that metric lower than our peers does it also maybe mean in overall compensation as a total we are also going to be below them when we receive our TA?

 

[Racer X]

Where is there catering, in LUS hubs? if he offered to give us the express work in those cities instead that might be an idea and more people

catering is in lus  phl, clt, dca and pit    although pit is a very small operation [ one or two trucks i believe]  the catering operation in phl and clt combined are hundreds of jobs      probably over 600-700  

 

[Worldport]

catering is in lus  phl, clt, dca and pit    although pit is a very small operation [ one or two trucks i believe]  the catering operation in phl and clt combined are hundreds of jobs      probably over 600-700  

Guess they are all senior people. $65,000 per year to pack liquor kits   hmm... Who does the express work in those cities?

 

[AANOTOK]

Guess they are all senior people. $65,000 per year to pack liquor kits   hmm... Who does the express work in those cities?

what a joke, WP...I have seniority and have waited many years to be able to get a job that I don't break my back over anymore.
AA wants to take all jobs that are senior so we will get out. I think you may be better suited for management...hmmm
By the way WP, Cargo is an extremely high seniority job in DFW and I have worked it. You earn your $65,000.
If you are OK with concessions, then my recommendation would be to vote yes if they want Cargo and Catering.

 

[Worldport]

what a joke you are, WP...I have seniority and have waited many years to be able to get a job that I don't break my back over anymore.
AA wants to take all jobs that are senior so we will get out. I think you may be better suited for management...hmmm
By the way WP, Cargo is an extremely high seniority job in DFW and I have worked it. You earn your $65,000.
If you are OK with concessions, then my recommendation would be to vote yes if they want Cargo and Catering.

It was an idea taking over envoy work in the hubs I thought it would create  more jobs. Sounds like I hit a sore spot, forget I ever brought it up. The only way you earn your $65,0000 is if the remote is broken on the TV in the breakroom and you have to get up to change channels "hey Zeb we got a good picture on channel 4" "heck no lets watch those perty girls on Telemundo"

 

[700UW]

Guess they are all senior people. $65,000 per year to pack liquor kits   hmm... Who does the express work in those cities?

They just dont pack liquor kits.  They provision the planes with all catering supplies, sodas, ice, etc, and they go to LSG and pick up the food and bring it to the plane and bring back the used items.
 
There is only one or two people who make the kits.
 
Guess you never worked catering especially the European flights where you have to follow USDA procedures of international food and trash.  And they cater a multitude of flights per bank.
 
Express in CLT is handle by Piedmont, except the E170s, and E175s which are handled by mainline.

 

[AANOTOK]

Again WP, vote yes if you are a concessions enthusiast and they come after jobs. Simple enough, eh?

 

[Worldport]

They just dont pack liquor kits.  They provision the planes with all catering supplies, sodas, ice, etc, and they go to LSG and pick up the food and bring it to the plane and bring back the used items.
 
There is only one or two people who make the kits.
 
Guess you never worked catering especially the European flights where you have to follow USDA procedures of international food and trash.  And they cater a multitude of flights per bank.
 
Express in CLT is handle by Piedmont, except the E170s, and E175s which are handled by mainline.

I'm sorry, I take it all back no concessions. Heck they probably have a CDL give them even more money

 

[Worldport]

Again WP, vote yes if you are a concessions enthusiast and they come after jobs. Simple enough, eh?

 I'm going to do what ever Weaasles  tells me to do. I'm a Weaasles person

 

[700UW]

I'm sorry, I take it all back no concessions. Heck they probably have a CDL give them even more money

There should not be one concession in a JCBA, this company made $7 billion.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

catering is in lus  phl, clt, dca and pit    although pit is a very small operation [ one or two trucks i believe]  the catering operation in phl and clt combined are hundreds of jobs      probably over 600-700  

Maybe some of the employees in those cities need to work on an exit strategy. You know...... just in case.
 
Otherwise, they may be laid off and unable to find a like paying job.
 
Know what I mean WeAAsles?
 
🙂

 

[Racer X]

Guess they are all senior people. $65,000 per year to pack liquor kits   hmm... Who does the express work in those cities?

they also work the warehouse [ fork lift etc]  they cater the aircraft  intl and domestic     in PHL the truck drivers need a cdl due to catering being off airport property and are subject to PA dept of transportation    its alot more than than liquor kits

 

[Worldport]

they also work the warehouse [ fork lift etc]  they cater the aircraft  intl and domestic     in PHL the truck drivers need a cdl due to catering being off airport property and are subject to PA dept of transportation    its alot more than than liquor kits

I stand corrected