2015 Fleet Service thread

[WeAAsles]

The Longevity Pay was 02. cents per year (Years 11-15);  03. cents (16-25); 04. cents (25-29); and up to .75 cents after 30 YOS.
 
So far, I haven't heard a whole lot of bitching, just questions, (in a positive manner). The main questions are what role (if any) does UGS play in all of this. And some clarification to the stations that took the cuts, so they won't be hit again and replaced by UGS. These questions has to be answered to ease concerns.
And questions about any FT / PT ratios was unanswered. A lot of us been thru that, and it decimated a lot of people. That has to be answered as well. People are kind of concerned because many think that is a entire new contract. This is the same agreement we voted on, but limited issues are the ones that are reopened and changed. People must understand, that is why the District highlighted all of the changes that the company agreed on. So people think that is the glossy and shiny highlights. All I can say is read your contract. (which I know most people don't) The many changes, such as the addition and strengthening of scope is what the Union is highlighting.

T5 Do you have a FT PT ratio in your current contract? If so and there is no new language written and that wasn't a part of the negotiations then I would say that there's no change.

 

[Worldport]

He's starting with the "Well it looks good, but" line. You know how it works. Make people believe that there's something not quite right and they're being scammed and maybe they should vote it down and they can get better.

I've seen more better deals screwed in my career with that thought line then the improvements people are hoping for. And how many times does that second deal usually take to get into people's hands?

I'd like to  hear from our negotiators how the UA deal might change the playing field for us

 

[WeAAsles]

As far as UGS under the guidelines of your new TA they can maybe pick up work in the future if and when certain language is triggered over time.

UAL would probably prefer to use there own lower cost version of subcontractors to keep the overhead and control in house. Much more flexibility then writing out contracts to the vendors.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'd like to  hear from our negotiators how the UA deal might change the playing field for us

Doubt you'll hear anything from our guys or Parker until it passes. No point in even discussing it if it fails.

 

[Worldport]

Doubt you'll hear anything from our guys or Parker until it passes. No point in even discussing it if it fails.

Gotta question the IAM if they brought back a T/A that wouldn't pass ie "what are they thinking"

 

[WeAAsles]

Gotta question the IAM if they brought back a T/A that wouldn't pass ie "what are they thinking"

You talking about with us or UAL? Obviously they support the TA at UAL.

Just saying if it fails why would our guys now even talk about it. Whether that's with us or the company. If it fails it no longer exists and it's like it never happened.

(Back to $29.27 for us)

 

[Worldport]

You talking about with us or UAL? Obviously they support the TA at UAL.

Just saying if it fails why would our guys now even talk about it. Whether that's with us or the company. If it fails it no longer exists and it's like it never happened.

(Back to $29.27 for us)

I"m talking about UA but I guess the same would apply to us. Especially when there is no gun to anyone head don't bring us anything concessionary 

 

[WeAAsles]

I"m talking about UA but I guess the same would apply to us. Especially when there is no gun to anyone head don't bring us anything concessionary

In some areas of blending or even writing a Joint contract one side is going to consider something to be concessionary where the other side is going to consider it to be a gain. It's going to happen I'm sure.

My interest is going to be in the totality of the deal. How does it overall benefit us and of course me. Let's say we too lose longevity since the US side doesn't have it. I'm losing .30 cents but gaining almost $7.00. Am I really going to become incensed losing the (so what) .30?

 

[700UW]

T5,

Didn't UAL Mainline takeover Exoress at DEN?

 

[T5towbar]

There are no FT/PT ratios. They already cut and reduced people to PT with disastrous results. It hampered the operation big time. So a lot of people had to be restored to FT. And hire off the street. They should have put some, but there aren't any. Temp workers (seasonal) are allowed if needed.

UGS was created to keep the control in house. We are told me that they WILL NOT encroach in our work in any station that has actual UA IAM members in. The only questions to be answered is in DEN and IAD UAX work.. I'm thinking that they tried to capture this work,,but it may be a concession to UGS. I'll try to ask why.

Most of us are jaded right now and are wondering what else are we giving up or what they took..Its all positive, and this is UA were talking about. We will see.

 

[ograc]

There are no FT/PT ratios. They already cut and reduced people to PT with disastrous results. It hampered the operation big time. So a lot of people had to be restored to FT. And hire off the street. They should have put some, but there aren't any. Temp workers (seasonal) are allowed if needed.

UGS was created to keep the control in house. We are told me that they WILL NOT encroach in our work in any station that has actual UA IAM members in. The only questions to be answered is in DEN and IAD UAX work.. I'm thinking that they tried to capture this work,,but it may be a concession to UGS. I'll try to ask why.

Most of us are jaded right now and are wondering what else are we giving up or what they took..Its all positive, and this is UA were talking about. We will see.

 
A strange circumstance. Both parties agreeing to open contract negotiations, on a previously ratified agreement, well before the original amendable date. A strange twist. When there are concessions on the Duration of an Agreement we enter into uncharted waters. Which party benefits remains to be seen. Uncertainty, is certainly, ahead! 
 

 

[WeAAsles]

A strange circumstance. Both parties agreeing to open contract negotiations, on a previously ratified agreement, well before the original amendable date. A strange twist. When there are concessions on the Duration of an Agreement we enter into uncharted waters. Which party benefits remains to be seen. Uncertainty, is certainly, ahead!

Give me great language, secure jobs, a solid BASE wage and decent yearly increases tied to the rate of inflation and you can Durate my agreement till I walk out the door 11 years from now.

(Not to mention the little PS thank you bonus)

 

[Worldport]

 
A strange circumstance. Both parties agreeing to open contract negotiations, on a previously ratified agreement, well before the original amendable date. A strange twist. When there are concessions on the Duration of an Agreement we enter into uncharted waters. Which party benefits remains to be seen. Uncertainty, is certainly, ahead! 
 

Looks like the new CEO is extending his hand.Its going to cost UAL a lot more money, something they had to do.We are all so jaded we will never let our guard down flight or fight

 

[ograc]

Looks like the new CEO is extending his hand.Its going to cost UAL a lot more money, something they had to do.We are all so jaded we will never let our guard down flight or fight

Looks like both parties agree the ratified TA at UA is  not so good after all. Not for either party. Hopefully, there are lessons learned, by both parties.
 

 

[WeAAsles]

Looks like the new CEO is extending his hand.Its going to cost UAL a lot more money, something they had to do.We are all so jaded we will never let our guard down flight or fight

http://youtu.be/qbexOeoH5hg