2015 Fleet Service thread

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Doug Parker clearly stated at a Town Hall meeting that the raise was given with one hand and nothing would be taken with the other. Doug Parker and AA mentioned early in negotiations they were coming after catering and cargo. My point, don't believe a single word that comes out of this management teams mouth.

Doug has a job to do and he is doing it.
 
His job is to maximize profits for the benefit of the shareholders and board of directors.
 
You can't fault Doug for doing his job anymore than he can fault you for doing yours.
 
 
Who you need to fault is the entity YOU PAY to negotiate on your behalf.
 
What you have is a situation where the employee (The TWU/Association) does not answer to the employer (the TWU/Association membership). Is it any wonder things are broken?
 
YOU need a UNION that answers to YOU.

 

[Worldport]

Doug Parker clearly stated at a Town Hall meeting that the raise was given with one hand and nothing would be taken with the other. Doug Parker and AA mentioned early in negotiations they were coming after catering and cargo. My point, don't believe a single word that comes out of this management teams mouth.

Is your cargo and catering comment a fact or just a rumor?

 

[700UW]

It happened.

And they told where the company to go.

 

[AANOTOK]

Doug has a job to do and he is doing it.
 
His job is to maximize profits for the benefit of the shareholders and board of directors.
 
You can't fault Doug for doing his job anymore than he can fault you for doing yours.
 
 
Who you need to fault is the entity YOU PAY to negotiate on your behalf.
 
What you have is a situation where the employee (The TWU/Association) does not answer to the employer (the TWU/Association membership). Is it any wonder things are broken?
 
YOU need a UNION that answers to YOU.

I guess you kinda missed the point. In your haste to criticize the union, you overlooked the fact that my point was Doug just flat out lied.
Yes, Doug has a job to do and gets paid quite well to do it. I get paid a decent wage to do mine as well. The difference is if I lied to management and got caught, I would get disciplined, if not outright fired. Doug and crew on the other hand  lie straight to your face and it's an accepted practice.

 

[AANOTOK]

Is your cargo and catering comment a fact or just a rumor?

The fact is they stated we should know that it was something they are coming after.
I am going to assume the Association has told them in no uncertain terms that it would
be considered concessionary and they will not bring back anything of that nature for the
members to vote on.
 
They latest update kind of said that between the lines.

 

[bob@las-AA]

The fact is they stated we should know that it was something they are coming after.
I am going to assume the Association has told them in no uncertain terms that it would
be considered concessionary and they will not bring back anything of that nature for the
members to vote on.
 
They latest update kind of said that between the lines.

The company will offer retro and it will pass by a large margin!

 

[Rogallo]

The company will offer retro and it will pass by a large margin!

 
Signing bonus works good too!

 

[Worldport]

The company will offer retro and it will pass by a large margin!

Retro? we have a contract

 

[WeAAsles]

Retro? we have a contract

Has anyone so far in this merger who got a TA had retro in it? No. The retro comment is too funny anytime someone brings it up. Haven't seen any signing bonuses either. The Diapatchers just got a TA, no extra and above payola.

Stranger things have happened but this one isn't passing the sniff test.

 

[WeAAsles]

Signing bonus works good too!

So if you got a crappy offer in your mind you would want them to throw in that carrot to make the mules walk?

Sorry man but give me a deal that passes on its own merits without any parlor tricks or payola.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I guess you kinda missed the point. In your haste to criticize the union, you overlooked the fact that my point was Doug just flat out lied.
Yes, Doug has a job to do and gets paid quite well to do it. I get paid a decent wage to do mine as well. The difference is if I lied to management and got caught, I would get disciplined, if not outright fired. Doug and crew on the other hand  lie straight to your face and it's an accepted practice.

I got your point just fine.
 
Did you get mine?
 
Doug does not represent your interest.
 
That is the TWU's job.
 
Why get mad at someone for not being forthcoming with you (or lying to you) when he represents the other side of the bargaining table?
 
If you set expectations at his word without a contract to back it up expect to get burned. Talk is cheap.

 

[Worldport]

The fact is they stated we should know that it was something they are coming after.
I am going to assume the Association has told them in no uncertain terms that it would
be considered concessionary and they will not bring back anything of that nature for the
members to vote on.
 
They latest update kind of said that between the lines.

Where is there catering, in LUS hubs? if he offered to give us the express work in those cities instead that might be an idea and more people

 

[AANOTOK]

Where is there catering, in LUS hubs? if he offered to give us the express work in those cities instead that might be an idea and more people

Yes...like W said, I do not expect "restore and more",  and I definitely do not expect or per my vote will not accept ANY concessions. Giving away ANYTHING is a concession plain and simple.

 

[AANOTOK]

I got your point just fine.
 
Did you get mine?
 
Doug does not represent your interest.
 
That is the TWU's job.
 
Why get mad at someone for not being forthcoming with you (or lying to you) when he represents the other side of the bargaining table?
 
If you set expectations at his word without a contract to back it up expect to get burned. Talk is cheap.

Not sure where I even gave the indication Doug represented my interest AT ALL. What I said was, on numerous occasions Doug has stated one thing and done just the opposite. What I also stated was Doug has proven to be untrustworthy and therefore I will vote accordingly.
Who say's I'm mad? The union hasn't brought anything back for me to vote on, and my hope is like I stated, they do not bring anything back that has anything resembling concessions. By the way, what is your agenda?? I and many here do not need a former employee's help. Congrats on getting out, but don't lecture me on my present and your past job...you are not qualified to do such. If  union bashing is your agenda, head on over to the AMT thread and throw your bait out there, I'm sure you will get a bite or two. Better yet, PM 700 and you two have a knock down drag out privately. TIA

 

[Kev3188]

^This^