2015 Fleet Service thread

[Worldport]

 

Fleet Service Negotiations Update
 
4/1/16
 
Sisters and Brothers,
 
The Joint Association Fleet Committee met in Dallas this week and exchanged the following proposals with the company:
 
Hours of Work
Recognition of Rights and Compliance
Grievance Procedures
Meal Periods
Leaves of Absence
Shift Differential/Shift Definitions
Training, Travel and Meal Per Diems
We are pleased to announce that we have reached a tentative agreement on the Training, Travel and Meal Per Diem article.
 
Despite this progress, unfortunately, the company did hold a meeting this week without inviting Association representatives, and actually left a bargaining session in order to attend.
 
Unbeknownst to the negotiating team, Robert Isom, American Airlines’ Chief Operating Officer, conducted a town hall meeting on Tuesday in Dallas without notifying any of our team members. American’s Director of Employee Relations, Jim Weel—who is part of the company’s M&R negotiating team and attended the session that morning—left the bargaining meeting in order to attend the town hall. This lack of transparency and commitment to the bargaining process will not be tolerated.
 
It is clear that American Airlines is not providing the membership with entirely accurate information, and that they are employing common management tactics to disrupt negotiations. While Mr. Isom assures us that the company is not holding up the process, they continue to offer our negotiation teams proposals which do not recognize the role our members have in sustaining American’s profits – and those are proposals that we will not accept.
 
Our future Fleet negotiations dates and locations are as follows:
Week of April 11 in DFW
Week of April 25 in DCA
Week of May 9 in DCA
Week of May 16 in DFW
Week of May 23 in DFW
Week of June 13 in DFW
Week of June 20 in DCA
Week of June 27 in DFW
 
We will continue to provide updates to membership following each negotiation session, and appreciate your continued patience and support.
 
Fraternally,
 

 

Weaazles come out and play ay forget about your end of summer shindig. It will  be "Weaasles long hot summer"  

 

[cltrat]

that's american west management, talking out of both sides of their mouths

 

[700UW]

It would be nice if the members put the onus on the company where it belongs.

 

[FWAAA]

It would be nice if the members put the onus on the company where it belongs.

Translation:
 
"Stop blaming the IAM and the TWU Association, of which I've been the biggest cheerleader."
 
The pilots have a combined CBA and they negotiated an ok raise (giant raise for LUS, ok raise for LAA).
 
The flight attendants have a combined CBA and they negotiated ok raises.
 
Agents have a combined CBA and negotiated ok pay and benefits.
 
Standing alone, Maintenance and Fleet have no combined CBA and, as yet, no raises.   And that's management's fault?  
 
The IAM and TWU have decades of experience in negotiating sub-par contracts for the membership, and it's management's fault?   
 
Never the crappy union's fault.   If we follow the logic that management is to blame for the long delay in negotiating a combined CBA for Maintenance and Fleet, then how come all those other groups accomplished their combined CBAs in a more timely manner?   Parker likes them more?   Or are they represented by competent unions?   

My suspicion is on the latter, not the former.
 
IAM and TWU and their apologists:   Long on excuses, short on results.   Been that way for a long time.   Looks like nothing's changed.

 

[700UW]

The pilots and FAs had binding arbitration if they didn't reach a JCBA, and the FAs lost in their limited arbitration.

Don't letter facts get in you way.

So I guess chapter 11 filings had nothing to do with crappy contracts?

 

[Rogallo]

There's always an excuse!
 
Fess up. The IAM at US sucks.
 
Now they've joined with the TWU at AA. Boy are we screwed!

 

[Worldport]

Translation:
 
"Stop blaming the IAM and the TWU Association, of which I've been the biggest cheerleader."
 
The pilots have a combined CBA and they negotiated an ok raise (giant raise for LUS, ok raise for LAA).
 
The flight attendants have a combined CBA and they negotiated ok raises.
 
Agents have a combined CBA and negotiated ok pay and benefits.
 
Standing alone, Maintenance and Fleet have no combined CBA and, as yet, no raises.   And that's management's fault?  
 
The IAM and TWU have decades of experience in negotiating sub-par contracts for the membership, and it's management's fault?   
 
Never the crappy union's fault.   If we follow the logic that management is to blame for the long delay in negotiating a combined CBA for Maintenance and Fleet, then how come all those other groups accomplished their combined CBAs in a more timely manner?   Parker likes them more?   Or are they represented by competent unions?   

My suspicion is on the latter, not the former.
 
IAM and TWU and their apologists:   Long on excuses, short on results.   Been that way for a long time.   Looks like nothing's changed.

 Lets not kid our selves both sides are at fault here for various reasons. it sounds like it's turning into a silly pissing match. Unfortunately the workers  are the ones getting hurt. In the beginning the association screwed things up now its the company's turn. Despite our silly infighting on here we all know they could get it done quickly if they wanted to. the result the workers don't trust the union or the company, not an auspicious beginning for the new AA

 

[conehead777]

Translation: "Stop blaming the IAM and the TWU Association, of which I've been the biggest cheerleader." The pilots have a combined CBA and they negotiated an ok raise (giant raise for LUS, ok raise for LAA). The flight attendants have a combined CBA and they negotiated ok raises. Agents have a combined CBA and negotiated ok pay and benefits. Standing alone, Maintenance and Fleet have no combined CBA and, as yet, no raises.   And that's management's fault?   The IAM and TWU have decades of experience in negotiating sub-par contracts for the membership, and it's management's fault?    Never the crappy union's fault.   If we follow the logic that management is to blame for the long delay in negotiating a combined CBA for Maintenance and Fleet, then how come all those other groups accomplished their combined CBAs in a more timely manner?   Parker likes them more?   Or are they represented by competent unions?   My suspicion is on the latter, not the former. IAM and TWU and their apologists:   Long on excuses, short on results.   Been that way for a long time.   Looks like nothing's changed.

you get it wish the twu/iam kool aid drinkers would get that.

 

[Worldport]

Translation:
 
"Stop blaming the IAM and the TWU Association, of which I've been the biggest cheerleader."
 
The pilots have a combined CBA and they negotiated an ok raise (giant raise for LUS, ok raise for LAA).
 
The flight attendants have a combined CBA and they negotiated ok raises.
 
Agents have a combined CBA and negotiated ok pay and benefits.
 
Standing alone, Maintenance and Fleet have no combined CBA and, as yet, no raises.   And that's management's fault?  
 
The IAM and TWU have decades of experience in negotiating sub-par contracts for the membership, and it's management's fault?   
 
Never the crappy union's fault.   If we follow the logic that management is to blame for the long delay in negotiating a combined CBA for Maintenance and Fleet, then how come all those other groups accomplished their combined CBAs in a more timely manner?   Parker likes them more?   Or are they represented by competent unions?   

My suspicion is on the latter, not the former.
 
IAM and TWU and their apologists:   Long on excuses, short on results.   Been that way for a long time.   Looks like nothing's changed.

What union would you go for? As I  have said before there are horror stories with every union.I'm no fan of the ASS but as you know it takes both sides to get to an agreement. There is a lot of unhappy flight attendants and wait until the pilot's seniority arbitration is decided  boy oh boy

 

[AANOTOK]

Well, from today's Association update, it seems as though things are not going so well.
Don't give in to any concessions...not one.
 
http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Association%20Fleet%20Update%204116.pdf

 

[Worldport]

Well, from today's Association update, it seems as though things are not going so well.
Don't give in to any concessions...not one.
 
http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Association%20Fleet%20Update%204116.pdf

The company wants better relations with their workforce seems to me they  are going about it all wrong actually making things worse ,but we shall see

 

[AANOTOK]

I know we are all leery of the then TWU and now Association, but damn, there is something about Parker, Isom, Kirby I do not trust, AT ALL. And we all know what kind of snake Jim Weel is. He is only continuing what he did while at Legacy AA.
I think they only want good relations with the pilots and F/A's. The mechanics and Fleet means very little to these guys.

 

[Talos]

I know we are all leery of the then TWU and now Association, but damn, there is something about Parker, Isom, Kirby I do not trust, AT ALL. And we all know what kind of snake Jim Weel is. He is only continuing what he did while at Legacy AA.
I think they only want good relations with the pilots and F/A's. The mechanics and Fleet means very little to these guys.

I have to agree that mgmt does not value the mechanics and fleet the way they do pilots and F/A's. The association debacle that was laid on us took a lot of time and made people that much more distrusting of the unions taking care of the members. Add to that the greed of mgmt who hate losing a cost advantage and are probably counting every penny they save with our current contract, and add it up and we are the scapegoats here. Just have to work safe. Very safe.

 

[Jester]

here is something to think of...   I cannot vouch for other stations... but in cities whereas LUS had been doing long haul PHX flights utilizing Airbus LUS did the catering    Switch planes to the LAA 737-800  and hence LSG does the catering    That is currently occurring in my station  only 1 flight     One guy told me that the reason the company swtiched from the A-320 to the 738 is bec supposingly the 738 gets better fuel savings on miles 800 and above   I personally do not know how true that is.   But in my opinion I see it as a catering loss for the afternoon shift    Our morning PHX is still operated by an A320 LUS      I dont know if the company is planning on turning the PHX into 738 flights and redeploying the airbus  but it is something to think about bec it is a way for the company to quietly get rid of catering on the LUS side

 
Scott Kirby clearly stated at a townhall meeting of Management's intention to make PHX mostly A321s and B738s, and move the A319s elsewhere and an eventual elimination of all A320s from the fleet.  I believe the idea for A319s was to make them available for long, thin routes within the US, even into Latin America out of DFW.  It explains the need to re-align the gates in order to accomodate the wider wingspan of the B738s and the longer fuselage of the A321s.
 
As those A319s are being moved out, I am seeing more RJs taking their place, as I recall the number of main line flying out of PHX in decline, but an increase number of available seat with the larger planes.

 

[AANOTOK]

Doug Parker clearly stated at a Town Hall meeting that the raise was given with one hand and nothing would be taken with the other. Doug Parker and AA mentioned early in negotiations they were coming after catering and cargo. My point, don't believe a single word that comes out of this management teams mouth.