2015 Fleet Service thread

[wings396]

We can only hope that the NC makes some real progress from this point. I'm getting a good vibe now that the uniform and BB language has been cemented. Don't get me wrong, I realize that the articles take time. My main issue lies with the time wasted getting to the table. I still feel that the 2 unions should have been better prepared with comparing notes prior to the NMB ruling. If for some reason they didn't approve the association, nothing lost. But, given that they did approve it, we've all lost a lot of time and MONEY..

 

[700UW]

So its ok for the company not to be ready and never pass a proposal to the union after Parker and his minions we saying they were ready, why dont people hold the company accountable?
 
Why did they hire a union busting firm to lead negotiations?
 
Why do they have a labor relations department and then have to hire outsiders to negotiate?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Just for the record though. The JFSC came into being because the company offered a 5 and 5 buyout package attached to the contract. 5 years of company time and Pension accrual was offered for people to leave plus wage increases. Senior people voted yes to take their money and run and others so they could move up in seniority.

How many of those people were preaching UNIONism and solidarity before they "stuck it to em"?
 
I have noticed senior UNION members are really great at preaching UNIONism and Solidarity........ until they have an offer.
 
Most likely when the membership takes the next big screwing it won't be from bankruptcy or concessions for the current membership, it will be from the retirees to be.
 
A company and UNION working together, with the added benefit of the "I got mine crowd".... the perfect trifecta. The same "I got mine" crowd that criticizes managements greed. Hypocrites. 
 
I know that is hard to hear but it is the truth. 

 

[WeAAsles]

We can only hope that the NC makes some real progress from this point. I'm getting a good vibe now that the uniform and BB language has been cemented. Don't get me wrong, I realize that the articles take time. My main issue lies with the time wasted getting to the table. I still feel that the 2 unions should have been better prepared with comparing notes prior to the NMB ruling. If for some reason they didn't approve the association, nothing lost. But, given that they did approve it, we've all lost a lot of time and MONEY..

Absolutely. And had they finished this 6 months ago we would have been locked in at $26.50 before DL announced their 14% raises which will put us up to over $29.00 now.

And if UAL ramp goes up even further possibly soon, maybe we will end up over even $30.00 next?

Did the Association do it on purpose? No. Has it worked out to our soon advantage? Yes.

 

[WeAAsles]

[SIZE=12pt]Delta Flight Attendant Wage Increases[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Recently, Delta management announced significant changes to compensation for Flight Attendants and ground workers. Effective December 1, these employees will receive a 14.5% increase to base wages. This raise brings Delta’s Flight Attendant pay to a level that meets the final year of APFA’s contract. In the same announcement, Delta management explained that profit sharing will be scaled back for Flight Attendants and ground workers going forward. This is the latest example of the industry’s trend away from profit sharing. In fact, Delta’s unionized pilots recently rejected a T/A with nearly identical terms. 

Some Delta Flight Attendants that APFA has been in contact with are disappointed with the announcement overall. They cite calculations that the wage increases are significantly diminished by the cuts in profit sharing. However, APFA’s position is that Delta’s announcement represents a change in the industry’s leading pay rates. As such, we are pushing for American to meet this new standard. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]APFA National President Laura Glading and American CEO Doug Parker have already met and discussed the Delta increases. The APFA contract began at a rate 7 percent higher than Delta. The new rates leapfrog ours, providing a target for future negotiations.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]It is also important to remember that the APFA contract includes a re-opening clause, which requires an adjustment following the United/Continental joint contract. While we do not know when negotiations at United/Continental will continue or conclude, we can expect Delta’s announcement to bring up the baseline for those talks. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Unfortunately, APFA is not in Section 6 bargaining at this time, which limits our ability to change our existing contract. Some other work groups at American are in Section 6, however, including ground workers represented by TWU/IAM and CWA and IBT Customer Service Agents. The Delta announcement affects these negotiations as well, and APFA stands with our brothers and sisters in these work groups as they strive to achieve the best possible contract. By standing together, American’s employees can continue to set the industry standard for compensation.

https://www.apfa.org/hotlines-2015/3904-9-24-15-laa-lus[/SIZE]




[SIZE=10pt]The APFA asked Doug if they too could have the raise. They were told no. [/SIZE]
 

 

[AANOTOK]

Absolutely. And had they finished this 6 months ago we would have been locked in at $26.50 before DL announced their 14% raises which will put us up to over $29.00 now.

And if UAL ramp goes up even further possibly soon, maybe we will end up over even $30.00 next?

Did the Association do it on purpose? No. Has it worked out to our soon advantage? Yes.

Me thinks the more money Parker has to put out there, the more concessions/work rule changes/givebacks he will be seeking.
Cargo and Catering (that we know of now) and what else with each leap in pay??

 

[bob@las-AA]

Me thinks the more money Parker has to put out there, the more concessions/work rule changes/givebacks he will be seeking.
Cargo and Catering (that we know of now) and what else with each leap in pay??

Add lavs and encoding to that list.

 

[AANOTOK]

Add lavs and encoding to that list.

Encoding will not be gone...lavs have been rumored.

 

[WeAAsles]

Me thinks the more money Parker has to put out there, the more concessions/work rule changes/givebacks he will be seeking.
Cargo and Catering (that we know of now) and what else with each leap in pay??

Not necessarily. Mainline we fly in to around 90 cities and only work about half of those. And that doesn't count the tons of commuter cities. I think through all the bankruptcy givebacks we've already costed ourselves in to anything group wise that Delta and UAL do? I'm very sure our guys have those numbers from their economists already.

If the IAM gets UAL to agree to more cities which is a very strong possibility since the work in outsourced cities has sucked and the airlines can only compete through customer service now, I don't see us having to give up anything.

They did get language upstairs to be able to outsource small pieces of the work they have on the US side but they're also bringing in all the red coat work. That pay is less then the agents actually at the computers but it's still at decent top out wages compared to the vendors. And directly in the company's hands gives them the ability to control the quality of the work.

Remember sometimes what the guy on the other side who's holding cards in his hands just wants to make you believe he holds a better hand then you do so you don't maybe call his bluff.

 

[WeAAsles]

Encoding will not be gone...lavs have been rumored.

Forget Cargo, catering, Lavs, encoding or any other jobs you can think of. As a matter of fact I think even though it's a part of the maintenance class now according to the NMB we should get full Cabin Service back as well and in exchange give them Deicing so they can have more jobs? IMO.

 

[AANOTOK]

I'm with you W. My personal opinion is we will not give up anything we now have. In talking to some folks, not just one, but a few who are around the process, I'm feeling a bit more comfortable about us retaining the jobs that were rumored to be on AA's hit list. I have bashed the Association on numerous occasions and still have a wait and see attitude. But again, in speaking with some involved in the process, Parker (or his minions) may be wasting their breath asking...we will see in due time!
 
As for your deicing scenario, I wouldn't have a problem with that at all.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm with you W. My personal opinion is we will not give up anything we now have. In talking to some folks, not just one, but a few who are around the process, I'm feeling a bit more comfortable about us retaining the jobs that were rumored to be on AA's hit list. I have bashed the Association on numerous occasions and still have a wait and see attitude. But again, in speaking with some involved in the process, Parker (or his minions) may be wasting their breath asking...we will see in due time!
 
As for your deicing scenario, I wouldn't have a problem with that at all.

Most people shouldn't. I think just the job alone even if we are doing it fit's maintenance much more than us. You have to sign off that that plane is done correctly or if not it might crash and you'll have the NTSB up your ass. The mechanics already are subject to all that scrutiny and not to denigrate the job but I doubt a plane is ever going to crash because we missed picking up a gum wrapper.

It was also a great job for the older guys to go into before they retire to protect their bodies if they wanted or needed it.

 

[700UW]

"Cabin Service" is also under the M&R Class and Craft, its knows as utility.

 

[WeAAsles]

"Cabin Service" is also under the M&R Class and Craft, its knows as utility.

That's what I said. We can cross utilize. They negotiate to get cabin work back and our guys agree to not argue if they go for Deicing. They negotiate the rates for that Cabin Service utility job and even if it wound up being a lower rate like the agents CARS positions, I'm 100% positive we would have ramp guys that would transfer over.

 

[700UW]

It's already in the IAM/PMUS CBA, wage rates and all, as we still have 50 active in the hangar and none on the line, company gained the right to outsource line cleaning in the CBA abrogation, but the language is "may" outsource which they did and we lost 1,000 jobs.