2015 Fleet Service thread

[charlie Brown]

Robbed
I have a different opinion of the sick policy. IMO you never want the attendance policy written in a contract. The union has to sign off on a contract just like the company. Signing off on a attendance article that you agreed to, basically takes away all your right to argue a individual point. There are some things we can do to help. Company has to have some control on their attendance. They have a operation to run. If you could take sick time without getting any points, then I'm sure they wouldn't be able to run the operation on certain holidays and Super Bowl dates and etc. The way things are now, we can argue any part of the attendance policy because it's not contractual. And we usually do a pretty good job at doing so.

 

[ograc]

another thing is  we accrue sick time about 10 times a yr  yet when peeps use it they get penalized for it   I realize people get sick then there are those thatll abuse it   but I would like to think that something along this can be fixed or enhanced or something.....

 
Issues such as this one should be a wake up call to the membership. The company is taking concessions from our group without contract negotiations or mutual consent between the union and the company. It is so much more than hourly wage folks! A battle on multiple fronts! The company's continual and relentless pursuit of concessions from this group, both in and out of contract negotiations, puts the union back on it's heels. As a result the NC and the membership has it's work cut out for them to change the tide. It is time we, as a collective group, wake up and stand our ground. If not; we can expect to see a continual erosion of jobs, working conditions, wages and benefits for the combined Fleet Service group for years to come. Choose thy fate Sisters and Brothers. 
 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

The company is taking concessions from our group without contract negotiations or mutual consent between the union and the company. 

Just keep telling yourself that.

 It is time we, as a collective group, wake up and stand our ground. If not; we can expect to see a continual erosion of jobs, working conditions, wages and benefits for the combined Fleet Service group for years to come.

Fleet will NEVER stand it's ground under the flag of the TWU/Association. The UNION will make sure of that.
 
 
I make more money after 2 years (almost 3) working for my current nonUNION employer than I did working 10 years at American Airlines (thanks to Junior Fleet Service and a 9 year top out, courtesy of the TWU).
 
I have 5 weeks of vacation (grouped with holidays) planned this year with 10 hours not even allocated and another week I am planning on carrying over to next year. More than I had after 12 years of employment at American Airlines.
 
Can a representative of the TWU, a name I have come to ASSOCIATE (as in Association, something the membership did not even get to vote on) with corruption and concessions, please come on here and explain to me how working UNION (hint the TWU is NOT a UNION but a dues collection machine) resulted in me gaining superior pay and benefits?
 
The TWU uses the membership to elevate TWU leadership to positions of wealth and political power while giving the company a large, contractually guaranteed, CHEAP labor pool (more people less pay all in the name of "preserving" jobs). TWU claims to fight for superior pay and benefits when in truth they debase the employees ability to negotiate by providing "false" representation.
 

mutual consent between the union and the company.
 
A battle on multiple fronts!
 
we can expect to see a continual erosion of jobs, working conditions, wages and benefits

You need to wake the hell up. The TWU is NOT trying to save you.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

La Li Lu Le Lo, on 12 Mar 2016 - 04:29 AM, said:
The TWU uses the membership to elevate TWU leadership to positions of wealth and political power while giving the company a large, contractually guaranteed, CHEAP labor pool (more people less pay all in the name of "preserving" jobs).
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/59677-happy-bonus-day/page-2
Birdman, on 11 Mar 2016 - 2:32 PM, said:
The WN mechanics decided long ago to maintain quality jobs, not exchange concessions for jobs. BTW, not one mechanic has ever been laid off at Southwest. There's no doubt AA has more mechanics per aircraft but look at the cost for that distinction.
 
This guy pretty much hit the nail on the head. Replace Mechanics with Fleet Service Clerks. You are never going to win anything by providing American Airlines cheap surplus labor.

 

[robbedagain]

Thx CB. I do understand that. Thx orgac. Would be great to have all Gray areas cleared up in jcba

 

[ograc]

Just keep telling yourself that.
Fleet will NEVER stand it's ground under the flag of the TWU/Association. The UNION will make sure of that.
 
 
I make more money after 2 years (almost 3) working for my current nonUNION employer than I did working 10 years at American Airlines (thanks to Junior Fleet Service and a 9 year top out, courtesy of the TWU).
 
I have 5 weeks of vacation (grouped with holidays) planned this year with 10 hours not even allocated and another week I am planning on carrying over to next year. More than I had after 12 years of employment at American Airlines.
 
Can a representative of the TWU, a name I have come to ASSOCIATE (as in Association, something the membership did not even get to vote on) with corruption and concessions, please come on here and explain to me how working UNION (hint the TWU is NOT a UNION but a dues collection machine) resulted in me gaining superior pay and benefits?
 
The TWU uses the membership to elevate TWU leadership to positions of wealth and political power while giving the company a large, contractually guaranteed, CHEAP labor pool (more people less pay all in the name of "preserving" jobs). TWU claims to fight for superior pay and benefits when in truth they debase the employees ability to negotiate by providing "false" representation.
 
You need to wake the hell up. The TWU is NOT trying to save you.

 
your bitterness toward the TWU clouds your ability to comprehend the issue being discussed. Your personal opinions and complaints are duly noted. Pay attention to the issue being discussed and try to stay on the subject matter.
 

 

[700UW]

He took the money and ran, he isnt at AA.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

your bitterness toward the TWU clouds your ability to comprehend the issue being discussed. 

Why do you think I am bitter?
 
I want you to give me an example of why you think I am bitter.
 
I comprehend things just fine. Do you? 
 

Issues such as this one should be a wake up call to the membership. The company is taking concessions from our group without contract negotiations or mutual consent between the union and the company. It is so much more than hourly wage folks! A battle on multiple fronts! The company's continual and relentless pursuit of concessions from this group, both in and out of contract negotiations, puts the union back on it's heels. As a result the NC and the membership has it's work cut out for them to change the tide. It is time we, as a collective group, wake up and stand our ground. If not; we can expect to see a continual erosion of jobs, working conditions, wages and benefits for the combined Fleet Service group for years to come. Choose thy fate Sisters and Brothers.

Your personal opinions and complaints are duly noted. Pay attention to the issue being discussed and try to stay on the subject matter.

Really?
 
You realize your post paints a picture of the UNION fighting the company (the UNION was "back on its heels") as they wholesale violate contract. The fact is the UNION enables it. Do you comprehend that?
 
You speak of "standing your ground" and choosing fates. Tell me how many people chose the Association. Tell me how many people chose the officers serving on the international. TWU has NEVER been about CHOICE, only control and manipulation. Do you comprehend that?
 
My point is TWU is NOT representing you.
 
That is about as ON TOPIC as it gets.
 
Now go on spewing your ASSOCIATION propaganda about "standing your ground" and choosing fates, which will NEVER happen with current representation. Maybe you can't comprehend that........

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

He took the money and ran, he isnt at AA.

I'm sorry who do you work for?
 
That's right.
 
Now shut up.

 

[700UW]

Says the guy that doesnt know the IAM, and took money from AA several years ago to live, but you sure do know whats going on, NOT!
 
The TWU is representing him, because he is an IAM Member.

 

[700UW]

I'm sorry who do you work for?
 
That's right.
 
Now shut up.

When you buy the boards you can make the rules.
 
You were paid by AA to leave and you left, and you cant even get things right.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

He took the money and ran, he isnt at AA.

I'm sorry who do you work for?
 
That's right.
 
Now shut up.

Says the guy that doesnt know the IAM, and took money from AA several years ago to live, but you sure do know whats going on, NOT!
 
The TWU is representing him, because he is an IAM Member.

First off I still have recall so I am still part of the Association. Are you?
 
My wife still works for AA 700UW. You can bet I am keeping an eye on what's going on as AA/Assoc contracts affect my household income just as much as anyone's on here. Can you say the same? No?
 
If I recall correctly you don't work for American Airlines and never did. Your ex-wife does.
 
You try to paint a picture like I have no stake in these contract negotiations but as usual your propagating a lie. 

 

[700UW]

You dont pay dues, you are not a member of the Association, as the Association has no members.
 
You took an early out, I doubt you have recall.
 
Your a FORMER TWU member, who took the money and ran.
 
You cant run for any TWU office, nor can  you vote on the JCBA.
 
Bottom line.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ironic that this man seems to hate everyone except himself. He needs to place the blame at his own feet and never will. The senior members of the TWU negotiated and accepted a contract in Oct 1995 with something called Junior Fleet Service attached to all new hires that came in after that date. It had (very clearly stated) a 9 year progression where the top pay after 9 years was only $10 and change. Wrong or not that the MEMBERS voted to accept that contract doesn't matter. Lu Lu still took the job. He obviously also stayed with the job and never left for maybe greener pastures.

The Junior Fleet Service language lasted until 2001 which gave him a full 6 years to find something else better and HE never did and obviously never looked either. What should have gave him even more motivation to look for something else was the fact that when Jr FSC was voted out, those people were not slotted over by years but were only advanced to the next pay progression above what they were currently making. I hired on in May of 95 because I was warned about the upcoming Jr FSC. I was on the better scale and topped out in 8 years. Guys who hired on in late 95 took a total of 14 years to top out.

The question is why did LU LU stay? Why is he blaming other people for his own obvious failure and ambition to move on like so many others did? Many many many people left when they saw that Payscale, but not LU LU? Personally I NEVER would have even considered taking the job with those wage scales. At the time there were even Supermarkets paying more. I'd rather have worked in a Supermarket then worked this very hard job for that money.

Who is really to blame for LU LU staying?

But no one ever seems to want to accept their own personal failures in life. That face staring back at them in the mirror must be a very ugly one?

 

[conehead777]

You dont pay dues, you are not a member of the Association, as the Association has no members.
 
You took an early out, I doubt you have recall.
 
Your a FORMER TWU member, who took the money and ran.
 
You cant run for any TWU office, nor can  you vote on the JCBA.
 
Bottom line.

why are you the biggest asshole on here you can't either your not at us now either