2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

America West flight attendants swear Aux gave bell signals from flight deck by clanging his big brass cojones- never using overhead push buttons

 

[luvthe9]

 
Well, since "you'se" likely are equipped with at least one "Integrity Matters", collectable T-shirt; I'd think it axiomatic that your principles should be not only "fashionably" displayed, but actually demonstrated at every opportunity. I'll admit to some disappointment with your "army" when, after so much vocal braggadocio was initially presented as to how the west would "never join", and certainly "never" pay dues...well, better late than never to discover a spine, I suppose, so all that can now be suggested is to abide by your newly-evolved vertebrae, conscience and "principles".

Cap'n Aux once flew the miss in Reno with one engine out while delivering twins. He instructed the Doctor on the line with medlink on how to do a heart transplant at the same time. In a thunderstorm no less.
Aux suggested naming one of the twins after his pal Traitor. The other after Chippy.

 

[traderjake]

Take that advice. From the guy who said the Nic was final and binding. 2007
 

 
Take that advice from the guy who said "Kasher will pay".

 

[Claxon]

 

"Hey, I have a way to increase your self esteem as an airline pilot you geriatric dinosaur, seniority pills.  Watch this america west pilot produced video where we make fun of older pilots with tenure and longevity"
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh9TFUZ8lBM

 

[luvthe9]

Cap'n Aux gave banjo lessons to the late, great Earl Scruggs. He is actually the person playing the banjo behind Tony Anger on the porch in the film Deliverence.
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[luvthe9]

Cap'n Aux actually gave dual to Sully. Some swear Cap'n Aux was on 1549 jumpseat talking Sully and Skiles through successful landing. Declining assistance, Aux was reportedly seen swimming faster than Michael Phelps towards Jersey City to avoid limelight....

 

[mrbreeze]

 
You old guys think you're so smart......well, I have twice the mental capacity as you do, you pea brain!!!

 

[luvthe9]

Cap'n Aux was the skillset behind 1549 success. Aux reportedly speed dialed Airbus while reading QRH to Skiles and advising Sully. All the while rejecting advice from fellow AWA pilots who swore TOGA would magically restore the destroyed engines.

 

[flyer63]

"The APA and the company have always understood that, at some point after a ruling by the NMB on the single-carrier proceeding, APA would assume representation for pilots at the two carriers and, as a consequence, take on a duty of fair representation to all of the pilots. In recognition of this legally mandated state of affairs, APA therefore agreed that, up until the time APA becomes the representative of the entire pilot group, USAPA would be the sole representative of the pilots at US Airways and handle the merger negotiations within its discretion. However, consistent with the law, once APA becomes the representative of all pilots, APA would of necessity displace USAPA and have authority as the certified collective bargaining representative over the process. USAPA has always insisted that it maintain institutional involvement and a degree of control over the process even after it ceases to be a lawful collective bargaining representative."
 
Read more here: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_talk/2014/02/pilot-unions-squabble-about-how-theyre-going-to-come-up-with-seniority-integration.html#storylink=cpy
 
 
 
As far as not having a seat at the table, I don't think the APA is interested in inheriting USAPA's problems and understands it's DFR obligation to the West.  
"As FO Roghair stated, APA does not take its duty of fair representation lightly. Contrary to USAPA's assertions otherwise, and at their suggestion, APA has proposed that the West pilots be afforded the opportunity to petition a neutral arbitrator for the right to a separate and independent merger committee in the seniority integration process."
 
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/AboutAPA/APAPublicNews/tabid/843/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4608/Seniority-Integration-Protocol-The-Facts.aspx

A court already ruled that USAPA did not violate its duty of fair representation... How long before your complaining about the APA... I give it 3 months... Sport...

 

[snapthis]

A court already ruled that USAPA did not violate its duty of fair representation... How long before your complaining about the APA... I give it 3 months... Sport...

 

I'm glad you have it all figured out so run along now and get your mommy to tuck you in and give you a goodnight kiss.

 

[Phoenix]

I'm glad you have it all figured out so run along now and get your mommy to tuck you in and give you a goodnight kiss.

Really? Is that your best?

Do you understand the trouble you are in with Rez, for failing to incorporate the word "scab"?

 

[Phoenix]

Take that advice from the guy who said "Kasher will pay".

Take your advice from the Lady that said "USAPA will NOT pay.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Famous quotes of an america west pilot number 7. captain aux with fork tongue with different generations of pilots. He claims to respect older pilots, in practice he calls them angry f/o's.
 
Hypocrite auxier, america west pilot.
 
 
""MORE SPIRIT This photo represents what Oshkosh is all about: two generations of pilots, coming together to share a common love for aviation.""

I track down and meet up with Cap’n John R. Sr., retired off the B747 for TWA. Back in the day, I taught John’s son through his Instrument rating. I always respected John Sr. and enjoyed hearing his war stories!

CAPTION CONTEST!

We had a little fun with the photo above on Cap’n Aux Facebook Page and Twitter, by having an informal Caption Contest.​

Here’s a sampling:
—”Have you seen my 747? I swear I parked it around here somewhere.”
—My plane has 2 stories and 3 ex wives ….. And you ?
—”So… What did YOU get on your private pilot written?”
—”I like your hat.” “I like yours too.”
—”Is this the line for free coffee?”
—”I always wanted to be a pilot for a big airline.”
—“So, is the check-in in that building over there?” “No … the check-in is here. With me. You don’t fly until *I* say you fly!”
—”Are you the co-pilot?”
—”You seriously think you can fly a P-51 at your age?”

 . . . And my personal favorite, from @LothropLothrop (of FlyMainBlog):​

—”Cap’n who? No, I’m sorry son, I haven’t read your book.”
I’d send him a signed copy of There I Wuz! . . . but he’s already read

Is that the APA tent there in Oshkosh?  I wouldn't take the time to pi$$ on their tent stake.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Me-John-R-Sr-1-1024x687.jpg
 
You old guys think you're so smart......well, I have twice the mental capacity as you do, you pea brain!!!

. Actually I believe what was said was" get your scab broke A$$ out of my tent, don't you know I had a pilot certificate in the 70's and what do you think you brought to aviation really? TWA what was that? Some commuter?

 

[snapthis]

Except that issue wasn't part of the original suit. On the original suit it was abundantly clear that USAPA abandoned the Nic and had a LUP for doing so.

They can't fire you, go ahead and stop paying now. Integrity demands it!

I'm familiar with the East's version of integrity. All I have to do is look back at old threads to see your version of integrity when it came to paying ALPA dues 8 months prior to USAPA slithering on the property.
 
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/37169-pilot-bid/
 
700UW, on Aug 22 2007, 01:25 PM, 
You have to pay dues as a condition of employment, they can fire you.
autofixer
Posted 22 August 2007 - 09:40 AM 
 
I am one of those 2500+ F/Os that could care-a-less as I have little or nothing to lose, even in my 21st year, thanks to Ole St. Nic. Do me a favor and fire me! I'll just be retired. 
 
diogenes
Posted 22 August 2007 - 10:10 AM 
Veteran Registered Member 
⦁ 2515 posts Mostly in theory. You can late pay, partial pay, drag it out and they'll never lay a glove on you. I've seen it happen.
 
What I've found disgustingly interesting is that unions keep members in the dark regarding negotiations, grievances, etc., but screw with the dues and all of a sudden, you get the personal attention you never received before.
 
I'd love to see US pilots make ALPA squeal like a school girl dues-wise. It'd make a great object lesson. 
Mtnman928 
Posted 22 August 2007 - 10:17 AM 
Mtnman928 
⦁ I was hanging out in the CLT Crew Room about a year and a half ago and if I remember correctly, they had posted a list of guys that were behind in the dues payment. I seem to remember it was about 350 guys. 
 
Unless they had a sudden change of heart, I doubt any of these "bad boys" were fired. I am assuming some have since retired but I'll bet the number is still near that number.
⦁ MM 
⦁ Crzipilot, on Aug 22 2007, 08:58 AM, 
Don't believe any pilot ever has been. ALPA must petition the company to do such..blah blah blah...never happened.
 
Besides you can opt out of ALPA and just pay the service charge..... 
nycbusdriver 
Posted 22 August 2007 - 11:58 AM 
nycbusdriver 
Veteran
⦁ Registered Member 7145 posts 
It is theoretically possible for a pilot to get fired for non-payment of ALPA dues. Actually, even that is not true. It is perfectly legal for a pilot to quit ALPA and remain employed by paying "contract administration" fees to ALPA. This amounts to about 70% of the regular dues. ALPA has no recourse to have a pilot fired if these fees are paid.
 
If the pilot refuses to even pay those administrative fees, it is theoretically possible that the pilot can be fired at ALPA's request. We have dozens of pilots who have not paid a dime to ALPA in years, yet are still collecting paychecks here. There is not one case to point to where a pilot has been fired over non-payment of ALPA dues. It's all theory, and possible, but not happening in the real world. There are so many tactics available to fend off the actual termination that most pilots could probably spend their entire career in the process of getting fired, but not ever actually GET fired for dues non-payment.
 
If ALPA ever managed to get one pilot fired, the "poster child" would be known by all. And there are NONE.
 
I'm not advocating stopping dues payments. The east needs everybody in good standing so that they can vote on contracts and LOAs, and so their reps can have "roll call power" (of course, it would be great to have more CLT pilots in bad standing to take some power out of the "weak sister" reps.)
 
At any rate, every pilot (dues payer or not, bad standing or not) gets to vote in the forthcoming representational elections by federal law. 
luvn737s, on Aug 23 2007, 05:18 PM, said:
You're not quite accurate in your information. You must pay either Dues as a member or an Agency Fee as a non-member. Failure to do either puts you in violation of the "No Free Riders" provision of the Railway Labor Act. ALPA doesn't have to do anything more than notify the company that someone is delinquent in either payment. The company is compelled under the RLA to fire them
AAA73Pilot 
Posted 22 August 2007 - 02:20 PM
 
excellent post. How could they ever make someone a poster child? The lawsuits of discrimination would be unbelievable. They would have to go back and fire every non dues payer on the property. Take away what little retirement a non dues payer left with. etc etc.
 
Vote on contracts? LOA's? What a novel concept. I have been advocating a vote since day 1. 
 
Looking forward to casting a ballot in the upcoming election also. 
 
 
 
700UW
Due Process?

You are not being tried in a criminal case.

The procedure to terminate someone for non-payment of dues is spelled out in your CBA.

The process can take around 30 days or so.  
        
 
Pilot
Or 30 years Sparky.

This company has set a precedent by not firing a non paying ALPA pilot. Ever.

Ain't gonna happen regardless of what is stated in the pilot contract.
 
 
nycbusdriver 
Then explain the fact that there are dozens of pilots on the property who have been in arrears for months or years who have been notified by ALPA that they are seeking termination of their employment. But no one has ever gotten fired over this.

The company doesn't want to fire anybody, so they resist for years. And what's ALPA going to do? File a grievance? Get in line.
 
700UW
There was two mechanics in CLT fired several years ago for non-payment of dues.
 
 


 
AAA73pilot

Different union, different set of circumstnaces. Read the previous posts again. There has never been a PILOT terminated for non payment of dues on this property in since I've been here.

Later Prater           
 
More of the same..
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/37169-pilot-bid/page-5
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/37169-pilot-bid/page-6
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hypocrisy exposed