2014 Pilot Discussion

[end_of_alpa]

Wrong.
 
He had less seniority but an earlier DOH.
 
Glad to see you haven't learned a thing  from the last five seniority arbitrations.

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[USA320Pilot]

Good Afternoon everyone,

I hope I did not miss anyone if I did I apologies.I wanted to first tell everyone how much I have enjoyed working with all of you. I have made some amazing friends here. I have turned in my resignation and June 13, 2014 will be my last day with USAPA. There have been too many to count, incidences with an Officer here that have made working here more than just uncomfortable and I can no longer subject myself to that kind of (for lack of a better word) abuse. Before the rumors started to go around I wanted to be the one to tell you all. I cannot tell you enough what a great group of people you really all are and how much I am thankful for the chance I have had getting to know all of you some better than others. I will be available by personal cell phone if anyone needs anything just call me and I will give you the number if you do not already have it. Thank you all for everything and my best wishes go out to all of you!* I will be thinking of you when I watch the news regarding the merger I hope everyone gets what is fair for all! Have a wonderful and blessed day!!!

Cindy Akers

Office Administrator & Bookkeeper
US Airline Pilots Association
200 E Woodlawn Rd Ste 250
Charlotte, NC 28217
704-936-4500 Ext 4508

 

[USA320Pilot]

Good Afternoon everyone,

I hope I did not miss anyone if I did I apologies.I wanted to first tell everyone how much I have enjoyed working with all of you. I have made some amazing friends here. I have turned in my resignation and June 13, 2014 will be my last day with USAPA. There have been too many to count, incidences with an Officer here that have made working here more than just uncomfortable and I can no longer subject myself to that kind of (for lack of a better word) abuse. Before the rumors started to go around I wanted to be the one to tell you all. I cannot tell you enough what a great group of people you really all are and how much I am thankful for the chance I have had getting to know all of you some better than others. I will be available by personal cell phone if anyone needs anything just call me and I will give you the number if you do not already have it. Thank you all for everything and my best wishes go out to all of you!* I will be thinking of you when I watch the news regarding the merger I hope everyone gets what is fair for all! Have a wonderful and blessed day!!!

Cindy Akers

Office Administrator & Bookkeeper
US Airline Pilots Association
200 E Woodlawn Rd Ste 250
Charlotte, NC 28217
704-936-4500 Ext 4508

 
Another example of USAPA’s leadership in action that is added to a compelling list of character including:

- Union filing baseless RICO charges against 18 fellow PHX-based pilots (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, commonly referred to as the RICO Act or simply RICO, is a U.S. federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization focusing on racketeering). USAPA’s petition was designed to financially devastate US Airways pilots and their families. The case was dismissed.

- Union taking out $75,000 USA Today Ads, posting information on billboards, and trucks that were designed to hurt the airline.

- A former VP assaulting the Secretary/Treasurer.

- The former president obtaining a personal trademark of USAPA’s logo and then filing a lawsuit against the union as acts of extortion to obtain 3 months of vacation.

- The union was convicted of an illegal job action.

- The former union president filed a lawsuit against the company without BPR approval.

- A baseless safety awareness campaign where USAPA hired a laid off University of Illinois Flight Department employee to write a misleading report regarding US Airways’ Safety program. 

- A total misrepresentation of the reason for the PIC investigation that cost effected pilots $1,620.

- A union who rules with an iron fist firing that regularly attempts to have the company fire fellow pilots after the union refuses to cash pilot checks under Section 29.

- Until recently a union that opposed every management strategic initiative to harm the company. 

- The only union with a president or leader who failed to attend the quarterly labor-management meetings. 

And now, a USAPA employee resigning because “There have been too many to count, incidences with an Officer here that have made working here more than just uncomfortable and I can no longer subject myself to that kind of (for lack of a better word) abuse.”

What a class union US Airways pilots have with the UELs in action. 

 

[Phoenix]

I am so bored I almost forgot to yawn.

 

[Pi brat]

 
Another example of USAPA’s leadership in action that is added to a compelling list of character including:

- Union filing baseless RICO charges against 18 fellow PHX-based pilots (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, commonly referred to as the RICO Act or simply RICO, is a U.S. federal law that provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization focusing on racketeering). USAPA’s petition was designed to financially devastate US Airways pilots and their families. The case was dismissed.

- Union taking out $75,000 USA Today Ads, posting information on billboards, and trucks that were designed to hurt the airline.

- A former VP assaulting the Secretary/Treasurer.

- The former president obtaining a personal trademark of USAPA’s logo and then filing a lawsuit against the union as acts of extortion to obtain 3 months of vacation.

- The union was convicted of an illegal job action.

- The former union president filed a lawsuit against the company without BPR approval.

- A baseless safety awareness campaign where USAPA hired a laid off University of Illinois Flight Department employee to write a misleading report regarding US Airways’ Safety program. 

- A total misrepresentation of the reason for the PIC investigation that cost effected pilots $1,620.

- A union who rules with an iron fist firing that regularly attempts to have the company fire fellow pilots after the union refuses to cash pilot checks under Section 29.

- Until recently a union that opposed every management strategic initiative to harm the company. 

- The only union with a president or leader who failed to attend the quarterly labor-management meetings. 

And now, a USAPA employee resigning because “There have been too many to count, incidences with an Officer here that have made working here more than just uncomfortable and I can no longer subject myself to that kind of (for lack of a better word) abuse.”

What a class union US Airways pilots have with the UELs in action. 

Are you proud of your actions that helped lead to it's election? Are you proud of the advice your gave your fellow pilots, to not join and fight from  the inside because of the financial liability that was sure to come?
 
You are something. I'm not sure what, but you are something.

 

[oscarjazz]

What logic or right dictates that when a guy is furloughed with 10 years of LOS that they move ahead of a 8 years captain WHEN THERE IS AN OPENING and that is wrong. What am I missing here ?????
 
The biggest con job ever to take place in the airline business is ALPA's promise to maintain pre-merger career.
Please tell me who they were trying to mollify with that garbage. Tell me how it is even POSSIBLE to do that with 2 groups that are not similar???
 
The person to blame here SOLELY was NIC. He was lazy, did not do his job and thousands have suffered and millions of lost dollars.

This is the perfect example of why you guys have failed for so long. The person to blame is you, look in the mirror. The United pilots faced the same problems you faced, pilots with lots of LOS but furloughed with no status. Instead of simply throwing out a Date of Hire list and then waiting to get screwed, they took control of their fate and fashioned the compromise that is now the integrated list at United. You guys stuck with your "hard line" DOH and left yourselves irrelevant. It wasn't Nicolau that was lazy, it was you. It was all your fault that you did not take the time or have the guts to offer a compromise solution.

If your cause is so just, if the facts are so clear, then why won't you just let a West committee join the arbitration and be done? You all spout off constantly about how terrible America West was and about how the East operation is everything. You spout off about Date of Hire is the "Gold Standard" that is universally accepted. You spout off about how a single senile old man was "lazy" and screwed you over.

So why are you all so afraid to stand up to a new panel of three arbitrators and make your case, fair and square? Why all the fuss about having a West committee? Even the APA is not afraid of having three committees stand up and make their case. You claim that you were screwed by a single guy, so why not just stand up like a man and make your case again?

The fact is that you don't want a fair hearing. You want to use your numerical advantage to crush the rights of the West pilots. You know that your bombastic claims on the internet are just a bag of hot air and you know that you can't win a fair fight. This is why you fail and this is why you have basically everyone else in the process against you.

Maybe some time you guys will look in the mirror and see that you are the problem and you need to change. Or.... you will simply keep blaming everyone else because that is pretty easy to do.

 

[Pi brat]

This is the perfect example of why you guys have failed for so long. The person to blame is you, look in the mirror. The United pilots faced the same problems you faced, pilots with lots of LOS but furloughed with no status. Instead of simply throwing out a Date of Hire list and then waiting to get screwed, they took control of their fate and fashioned the compromise that is now the integrated list at United. You guys stuck with your "hard line" DOH and left yourselves irrelevant. It wasn't Nicolau that was lazy, it was you. It was all your fault that you did not take the time or have the guts to offer a compromise solution.

If your cause is so just, if the facts are so clear, then why won't you just let a West committee join the arbitration and be done? You all spout off constantly about how terrible America West was and about how the East operation is everything. You spout off about Date of Hire is the "Gold Standard" that is universally accepted. You spout off about how a single senile old man was "lazy" and screwed you over.

So why are you all so afraid to stand up to a new panel of three arbitrators and make your case, fair and square? Why all the fuss about having a West committee? Even the APA is not afraid of having three committees stand up and make their case. You claim that you were screwed by a single guy, so why not just stand up like a man and make your case again?

The fact is that you don't want a fair hearing. You want to use your numerical advantage to crush the rights of the West pilots. You know that your bombastic claims on the internet are just a bag of hot air and you know that you can't win a fair fight. This is why you fail and this is why you have basically everyone else in the process against you.

Maybe some time you guys will look in the mirror and see that you are the problem and you need to change. Or.... you will simply keep blaming everyone else because that is pretty easy to do.

You think the UA pilots might have learned for us? Naw...

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

This is the perfect example of why you guys have failed for so long. The person to blame is you, look in the mirror. The United pilots faced the same problems you faced, pilots with lots of LOS but furloughed with no status. Just goes to show ya, there is always some idiot telling ya what is good for you! Maybe he should explain, Why ALPA changed its merger policy, why there are lawsuits flying over that SLI, or why it is ok to disregard the law and just let any group self represent, No Oscar we did not do it to ourselves, ALPA and there merger and which ever way the wind blows policy did it, ! OBTW tell our boy Moak to put it where the sun does not shine, you also my friend!

 

[Claxon]

This is the perfect example of why you guys have failed for so long. The person to blame is you, look in the mirror. The United pilots faced the same problems you faced, pilots with lots of LOS but furloughed with no status. Instead of simply throwing out a Date of Hire list and then waiting to get screwed, they took control of their fate and fashioned the compromise that is now the integrated list at United. You guys stuck with your "hard line" DOH and left yourselves irrelevant. It wasn't Nicolau that was lazy, it was you. It was all your fault that you did not take the time or have the guts to offer a compromise solution.If your cause is so just, if the facts are so clear, then why won't you just let a West committee join the arbitration and be done? You all spout off constantly about how terrible America West was and about how the East operation is everything. You spout off about Date of Hire is the "Gold Standard" that is universally accepted. You spout off about how a single senile old man was "lazy" and screwed you over.So why are you all so afraid to stand up to a new panel of three arbitrators and make your case, fair and square? Why all the fuss about having a West committee? Even the APA is not afraid of having three committees stand up and make their case. You claim that you were screwed by a single guy, so why not just stand up like a man and make your case again?The fact is that you don't want a fair hearing. You want to use your numerical advantage to crush the rights of the West pilots. You know that your bombastic claims on the internet are just a bag of hot air and you know that you can't win a fair fight. This is why you fail and this is why you have basically everyone else in the process against you.Maybe some time you guys will look in the mirror and see that you are the problem and you need to change. Or.... you will simply keep blaming everyone else because that is pretty easy to do.

Hey Armando, you and your ALPO. " brothers" are a disgrace to those who went before you. You are nothing but a self serving opportunists who skew mergers to your advantage. It has always been about you.
As long as you benefit, that is the guiding principle. You benefitted from countless ALPA pilots before your time, then you and the other poser 767 Jetzz skew facts to benefit you.
Posers, fakers, opportunists. Fat, lazy feeders from dues money.
You are a paunchy, middle aged poser.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Hey Armando, you and your ALPO. " brothers" are a disgrace to those who went before you. You are nothing but a self serving opportunists who skew mergers to your advantage. It has always been about you.
As long as you benefit, that is the guiding principle. You benefitted from countless ALPA pilots before your time, then you and the other poser 767 Jetzz skew facts to benefit you.
Posers, fakers, opportunists. Fat, lazy feeders from dues money.
You are a paunchy, middle aged poser.

Armando, one has to only quote excerpts from the TWA DFR success to see what it was all about, a suggestion, use your own mirror!

 

[traderjake]

????????

 
He had less seniority but an earlier DOH.
 
...................................................................on his respective seniority list

 

[traderjake]

The fact is that you don't want a fair hearing. You want to use your numerical advantage to crush the rights of the West pilots.

 
Bingo.
 
APA is going to use their numerical advantage to ensure they don't get stuck with a USAPA DFR.

 

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Cases in the Pipeline — Challenges to Union Security Clauses
Posted on 
February 28, 2014 by Nikolas Bowie

As members of the Supreme Court draft their opinions in Harris v. Quinn — the case we have been closely watching because it may determine the future of union security clauses for public-sector workers — a number of other potentially significant cases challenging security clauses in public and private contexts are brewing in the lower courts.
As we have discussed in our coverage of Harris, the plaintiffs there are challenging an Illinois statute that provides for a union to exclusively represent certain personal care providers in their dealings with their state employer — assuming a majority of the providers vote to accept such an arrangement. If a union is formed, then even the personal care providers who did not wish to join would still be required to pay the equivalent of dues. The purpose of the statute is to prevent the collective-action problem that would result if workers could “free ride” and benefit from the union’s bargaining efforts without paying dues — a situation that could compromise the union’s membership.
http://onlabor.org/2014/02/28/cases-in-the-pipeline-challenges-to-union-security-clauses/#more-2312

 

 

 

Read the rest here.  If this case (Serna) works its way through the courts, along with Harris, you will NO LONGER BE REQUIRED TO PAY ANY DUES.
 
This means the death knell for unions because compulsory germane union dues disappear and no longer will unions be able to force you pay upon threat of termination.
 
Say goodbye, ALPA and APA.

 

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He had less seniority but an earlier DOH.
 
...................................................................on his respective seniority list

It won't matter in a few years anyway....looks like the courts just may eliminate compulsory union dues and then we'll get to have employment at will.

 

[traderjake]

I am so bored I almost forgot to yawn.

 
I didn't.