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USA320Pilot said:
The salient issue is that USAPA knew before it negotiated and ratified the MOU that AMR, LCC, AAG, and APA served notice that post SCC USAPA would not represent the US Airways pilots (East or West) unless it was determined by APA that a segment of their union could do so.[/size]This is in compliance with the RLA, contract law, and the M-B statute.[/size]Furthermore, the parties knew through US Airways' invitation, Summary Judgement, and other protocols that management and the APA will only support a 3-way (4-way) M-B arbitration, if held, which I believe is the only way to have a F&E process. Why? Because of USAPA's DFR intentions and desire to weasel out of a F&B ISL. In addition, APA and AAG are very concerned about a comment that the union pre and post SCC will be "unquestionably ripe (for) DFR", which still holds true today, not to mention AAG's concern for a liability claim.[/size]USAPA's position shows their legal team planned and committed Judicial Estoppel before the MOU TA was obtained and ratified, which is another violation of law committed by the US Airways pilots illustrious union.[/size]
Munn is front running the company prior to their legal filing which will be out any minute. It is what he does. He is, let us say, a multi purpose tool.......
Rest assured the New American will be blocking any chances for a JCBA for years to come.
PHX will remain stagnant, AA and USAirways east will chug on, with huge retirement action and new metal.
Standby for an announcement from the legal eagle Siegal.
 
Claxon said:
My apologies to that gasbag Armando. It has been so long since you came to the surface you confused us with your JACKed whining
Part of the Trans States Mafia. You, Mikey Jetzz Stein and Ex B717 WHINER.
You just keep coming to the aid of Vaselino and the rest. Reminds me of a DJ who keeps spinning the same junk. Over and over.
Your west pals got dragged into merger without a JCBA. Unfortunately for them, it is not going to end well now. Keep spinning that broken record Mr. DJ. Are you going to be making the Daly appearances, or will it be a long time before we hear?
Well spoken. Well thought out points full of logic and reason. Let me know how that works out for you.
 
Pi brat said:
You think the UA pilots might have learned for us? Naw...
oscarjazz said:
Well spoken. Well thought out points full of logic and reason. Let me know how that works out for you.
Far better than your prediction of the Nicolau, Jack.
Prater cost ALPA the USAirways pilots. Nice move. The United " neutrals" had their prints all over the Nic. Now the hornets nest has fallen into their laps.
This AAL labor merge will take 3-5 years. Years which will prove bountiful for east and AA pilots. The west will pay a price for clinging to the Nic.
 
Claxon said:
Munn is front running the company prior to their legal filing which will be out any minute. It is what he does. He is, let us say, a multi purpose tool.......
Rest assured the New American will be blocking any chances for a JCBA for years to come.
PHX will remain stagnant, AA and USAirways east will chug on, with huge retirement action and new metal.
Standby for an announcement from the legal eagle Siegal.
 
 
Yep, He's a tool for sure!
 
Claxon said:
Munn is front running the company prior to their legal filing which will be out any minute. It is what he does. He is, let us say, a multi purpose tool.......
Rest assured the New American will be blocking any chances for a JCBA for years to come.
PHX will remain stagnant, AA and USAirways east will chug on, with huge retirement action and new metal.
Standby for an announcement from the legal eagle Siegal.
traderjake said:
Bingo.
 
APA is going to use their numerical advantage to ensure they don't get stuck with a USAPA DFR.
Trial on the merits. No failure of DFR... By law, not by democracy. 😀
 
oscarjazz said:
This is the perfect example of why you guys have failed for so long. The person to blame is you, look in the mirror. The United pilots faced the same problems you faced, pilots with lots of LOS but furloughed with no status. Instead of simply throwing out a Date of Hire list and then waiting to get screwed, they took control of their fate and fashioned the compromise that is now the integrated list at United. You guys stuck with your "hard line" DOH and left yourselves irrelevant. It wasn't Nicolau that was lazy, it was you. It was all your fault that you did not take the time or have the guts to offer a compromise solution.

If your cause is so just, if the facts are so clear, then why won't you just let a West committee join the arbitration and be done? You all spout off constantly about how terrible America West was and about how the East operation is everything. You spout off about Date of Hire is the "Gold Standard" that is universally accepted. You spout off about how a single senile old man was "lazy" and screwed you over.

So why are you all so afraid to stand up to a new panel of three arbitrators and make your case, fair and square? Why all the fuss about having a West committee? Even the APA is not afraid of having three committees stand up and make their case. You claim that you were screwed by a single guy, so why not just stand up like a man and make your case again?

The fact is that you don't want a fair hearing. You want to use your numerical advantage to crush the rights of the West pilots. You know that your bombastic claims on the internet are just a bag of hot air and you know that you can't win a fair fight. This is why you fail and this is why you have basically everyone else in the process against you.

Maybe some time you guys will look in the mirror and see that you are the problem and you need to change. Or.... you will simply keep blaming everyone else because that is pretty easy to do.
 
Well, this single post pretty much highlights why the east is backed into a corner.  Like a rat and a bucket of water, the last thing the east wants is arbitration with the west again, and we all know exactly why.  We also know the east is looking for an escape route around not only arbitration, but now the MOU.  So, here we are, two for two with the east pilots: sign on to an agreement, then do everything they can to try and slither out of it.  Only thing is, the east no longer controls the timeline and they are no longer the favored majority by Parker.  Uh oh!  The day of reckoning is approaching for the serious men doing serious work.  This is going to be fun to watch.
 
Great post, Oscar.
 
Phoenix said:
Trial on the merits. No failure of DFR... By law, not by democracy. 😀
 
98%!!  
 
LOL
 
Guess you didn't read the fine print about the Single Carrier...
 
end_of_alpa said:
Because Judge Silver RULED that USAPA represents their interests, that they DON'T have to use the Nicolau seniority list and the West Class doesn't exist except on appeal to the Ninth Circuit.  Oh, the protocol agreement was meant to determine the terms of a M-B 13( B) agreement.  Since they havn't agreed, 13(a) of M-B applies.  Under the statute it can ONLY be one or the other.
Just like the APA is about to represent your interests, the APA thanks you for all the evidence your lawyers supplied during the Addington defense.  😀
 
prechilill said:
Just like the APA is about to represent your interests, the APA thanks you for all the evidence your lawyers supplied during the Addington defense.  😀
Addington had zero to do with MB, and vice versa.
 
prechilill said:
You can't handle the truth!
 
98%
It would be interesting to put a side by side view of your and Phoenix's legal analaysis and outcome predictions. I don't think Phoenix is the one who has a hard time handling the truth. One of you has been right about a 100%, not 98% but 100% of the time and one has been wrong about 100%, not 98% but 100% of the time.
 
GorgeousGeorge said:
It would be interesting to put a side by side view of your and Phoenix's legal analaysis and outcome predictions. I don't think Phoenix is the one who has a hard time handling the truth. One of you has been right about a 100%, not 98% but 100% of the time and one has been wrong about 100%, not 98% but 100% of the time.
I have said all along that USAPA would fail in their DOH quest.  Looks like I am right and PHX is wrong.  That's what a 98% vote means!  LOL
 
prechilill said:
I have said all along that USAPA would fail in their DOH quest.  Looks like I am right and PHX is wrong.  That's what a 98% vote means!  LOL
Actually, I think all he predicted was you would fail in court to force USAPA to use the NIC list. 100% right! LOLLOL

I am thinking Phoenix is going to be right on MB and how it plays out as well, at least 100% more than your predictions.
 
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