Would You Support an AMFA Card Drive?

[OldBubba]

And TWA bought Ozark!!!! So your bucket holds no water!!! Point is we sloted them in, you didn't!
AMFA wasn't even part of the AFL CIO, but TWU was. I hope US buys us. And yes, I'll beat this horse tell the day I get layed off. Which isn't to far away!!

 

[TWU informer]

I would ask that everyone please disregard most if not all of what is being addressed on this thread. I actually thought we could hold some adult conversations on the idea of spooling the AMFA organzing comittee back together.

I was wrong for posting this thread and opening this can of worms. My apologies for that mistake.

I will continue my review of the idea in a more private setting with my fellow workers in Tulsa.

You guys at the line can await some official information before entering into meaningless arguement and debate.

Tulsa needs to take the lead on this, and Tulsa must produce. We will need your help if the deicision to proceed is affirmed.
However, ulitimately Tulsa must have enough support and effort to succeed.

I am still open to reviewing those possibilities and get back with you.

Thanks to those have already made contact, and those that express support.

This will now go to more private review.

Thanks for your understanding.

 

[TulsaTurd]

Informer you might as well face facts, your efforts to ditch the TWU are a day late and a dollar short. As soon as the union caves, layoffs will begin shortly there after. All employees at AA are screwed one way or the other , just for some it ain't poppin no cherry.

 

[High Speed Steel]

That didn't last long. Less than 72hrs. and accountability and transparency were tossed out for a more private setting...lmao

 

[JAFI]

If someone brings cards around, I am always willing to sign. But if we do get a vote, I will have to contemplate who to vote for. For me the issue isn't whether TWU has done a bad job, but whether anyone else could have done better. I believe the crisis we are facing now has more to do with poor management and industry trends than with TWU misleadings.

Of coarse, I could be wrong.

 

[TWU informer]

If someone brings cards around, I am always willing to sign. But if we do get a vote, I will have to contemplate who to vote for. For me the issue isn't whether TWU has done a bad job, but whether anyone else could have done better. I believe the crisis we are facing now has more to do with poor management and industry trends than with TWU misleadings.

Of coarse, I could be wrong.

Of course,

Coming to the conclusion that your union structure sucks and it needs to be replaced should always be considered serious business and an important decision to make.

That being said, it is not just this current situation that one should judge the TWU upon.

There is a 25 year history of the TWU leading this industry in concessions and inadequate bargaining.
Some could also argue that this was also due to industry trends and mismanagement. But at what point should the AFL-CIO affiliation be also held accountable for failing to use the so-called political influence to change the industry trend via legislation? So many AFL-CIO members have beed raped and decimated by the Bankruptcy Laws and lack of modification of the rules governing overseas MRO's, by now something should have been changed. At what point should your union be held accountable for not taking the required action to correct mis-management before it bites the members in such a demeaning way? This Union has never challenged management, it has always reacted in a cowardly fashion. It is a predictable organization and that is why management always enjoys the benefit of strength in bargaining. All American Airlines has to do is threaten some job loss, and the TWU Concession Train comes down the track at full speed ahead. Each time, some jobs are temporarily saved via massive concessions, and then through attrition, the head count is still reduced and concessions for management still enjoyed and in place. This time will prove to be more of the same, it has already been decided, we are now watching the playing of the game to prepare to place blame on Judge Lane or someone or something esle other than the unrelenting fact that your union is failing you miserably.

And, If was not for the threat of a card drive to remove the TWU, they would sellout even futher and with great pride.

Have you forgot 2003? Have you forgot 1995? Have you forgot 1983?

Above all, for over five years of the last AMFA Organizing Campaign, the TWU pointed ever "trend" and every "mis-management" at Northwest, United, Alaska, and each and everytime, blamed AMFA for those outsource percentages, heaad count reductions, and maintenance base closures.

Now. As it happens to the TWU it apparently is something other than the UNION's fault.

This is not only patently unfair, but is survival based on lies, manipulation, and initimidation of their own members.

This is not Union Leadership, it is called unethical and immoral.
And any one that believes in what goes around comes around realm of good vs evil, should not be shocked when the TWU finally faces the last curtain call at American Airlines.

Your comment reminds of a person who always has sympathy for the under dog.
That is fine, but at what point should your union establish itself as the favorite and stop negotiating from a negative position?

 

[Buster CRC]

heres some of my reasons for wanting rid of the TWU. http://www.representationnow.com/

 

[JAFI]

I have not forgotten, I lived through those contracts. And I do not see the TWU as the underdog, to the contrary. I see them as the fat, bloated, incumbent. But I am concerned with the new new unions.

I have signed an AMFA card every single time they were passed around in too many stations to recall. I think a vote is healthy. I am just not convinced by the competition. My eyes are facing forward, what has passed is done. And done at the hands of my fellow union brothers who voted those contracts in.

 

[TWU informer]

I have not forgotten, I lived through those contracts. And I do not see the TWU as the underdog, to the contrary. I see them as the fat, bloated, incumbent. But I am concerned with the new new unions.

I have signed an AMFA card every single time they were passed around in too many stations to recall. I think a vote is healthy. I am just not convinced by the competition. My eyes are facing forward, what has passed is done. And done at the hands of my fellow union brothers who voted those contracts in.

If you have another solution to this problem I am all ears JAFI

I too am looking forward, but I never forget the past and we are doomed to repeat those mistakes if we do not remember them and learn from them.

Continuation of the same while expecting different results just does not seem like a positive forward thinking direction.

Again, an easier softer way would be preferable. Do you have any ideas?

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

Let us not forget the most important reason of all...
They (the ATD international) the people that are supposed to be looking out for your best interest are not burdened with the same concessions they so willingly bring to the table. They are making three times what you make. It is crooks like these that are also unelected and are not held accountable for the position we find ourselves in. These reasons alone is reason enough to sign a card. The time to get rid of the twu is long over due. They are, if nothing more, consistant. Consistant at bringing back concession after concession after concession. A union whose members live under a 9 year contract with no raises and increased medical premiums. A union that is negotiating another 6 year deal with medical premium increases that equate to a two dollar an hour pay cut. When will they take a paycut ???????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[TWU informer]

heres some of my reasons for wanting rid of the TWU. http://www.representationnow.com/

It would be really nice if this information were to be placed into a professional looking format instead of resembling graffiti painted on a passing freight train. Great info, impossible to read.

 

[JAFI]

There are other unions like IAM who have the resources and political affiliations.

I believe we need to get a vote. It would be a win-win situation. Either we get a new union or keep the TWU who will realize they can be voted out.

Like I said, I will sign any and every card that comes around. But when it comes to actually handing my career over to a new union, not so sure I will do it.

 

[TWU informer]

My eyes are facing forward, what has passed is done. And done at the hands of my fellow union brothers who voted those contracts in.

I forgot to remind you that you are currently working under a 2003 Concession Agreement that has lasted 8 years and was SIGNED BY JAMES C. LITTLE (Without Further Ratification, I might add)

 

[TWU informer]

There are other unions like IAM who have the resources and political affiliations.

I believe we need to get a vote. It would be a win-win situation. Either we get a new union or keep the TWU who will realize they can be voted out.

Like I said, I will sign any and every card that comes around. But when it comes to actually handing my career over to a new union, not so sure I will do it.

Please educate yourself regarding the NO-RAID clause of the AFL-CIO that leaves us no choice but AMFA or Independent Union.

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

It would be really nice if this information were to be placed into a professional looking format instead of resembling graffiti painted on a passing freight train. Great info, impossible to read.

I love that url glad to see it is back up and running.