which will it be? the ta or term sheet?

[FWAAA]

Why vote yes?

Excellent question, and I don't have a cogent answer. See below for Sharon Levine's explanation of the court's decision.

I understand perfectly well why you're saying that but I'd prefer to follow an attorney's advice in this case - you aren't one of those. FWAAA left a reply re: this very thing - read and understand.

Thanks, Frank, but don't take my word for it - here's what Sharon Levine has to say about Informer's question:

The court acknowledged that its holding provides little incentive to flight attendants to continue negotiating because the terms of the last offer represent the very worst terms that will be imposed. Nevertheless, the court believed that this disincentive was not enough to permit Northwest to implement the terms of its last §1113 proposal rather than the terms of the last tentative agreement, which was not ratified, on the flight attendants.

http://www.abiworld.org/committees/newsletters/pensionsbenefits/vol2num3/Decisions.html

If the company may not impose anything other than the Last Best Offer on you, then why vote yes?

The only reason I can think of for voting "yes" on the LBO is if Judge Lane does allow AA to impose more severe terms than the LBO. That's precisely the kind of question that Sharon Levine should be answering for the membership instead of filing BS motions like the one against the AA advisor employment where she cited nothing but a Wash Post editorial about Bain and Romney.

You guys are in an information vacuum - I cannot think of a more worthless union than yours. My condolences.

 

[Frank Szabo]

I was simply repeating the information put out by the twu up until recently, FW.

It doesn't really matter - underturn will be back spreading more lies in short order ...

 

[TWU informer]

What if the TWU has screwed everyone to save these jobs under the premise that it really doesn't matter how we vote now, the Judge will impose the LBO?

I mean what if individually the LBO offer is much worse for you than the Term Sheet would have been?

Maybe the LBO is really a TWU ruse to get the concessions regardless of how we vote?

How you gonna like that?

 

[AANOTOK]

What if the TWU has screwed everyone to save these jobs under the premise that it really doesn't matter how we vote now, the Judge will impose the LBO?

I mean what if individually the LBO offer is much worse for you than the Term Sheet would have been?

Maybe the LBO is really a TWU ruse to get the concessions regardless of how we vote?

How you gonna like that?

Word(s) of the day: What and if

Fleets leadership (said loosely) is now stating that a 2% paycut (roughly 42 cents) to keep heads and stop some outsourcing. The prefunding "match" is still being negotiated. The early out is $12,500, 13 weeks severance and $10,00 lump sum.

 

[enough already]

Word(s) of the day: What and if

Fleets leadership (said loosely) is now stating that a 2% paycut (roughly 42 cents) to keep heads and stop some outsourcing. The prefunding "match" is still being negotiated.

Don't forget: Who knows? :-/

 

[TWU informer]

My point is what if they used the BK Laws and Lawyers paid from your dues for the intended purpose of imposing Last Best Offer to insure that you gave up something to save the jobs even if you would have never have voted for it?

We keep thinking the LBO will have to be better than the term sheet. What if that is untrue and you would rather have had the term sheet that what the TWU has just done?

In other words, LBO is better for WHO?

Isn't the idea of imposed Last Best Offer the perfect chance to get more TWU Concessions that would never pass the membership?

The TWU didn't agree to it, it was "imposed by the Judge" sounds like a great excuse for another round.
Almost as good as "Without Further Ratification"!

 

[Hopeful]

My point is what if they used the BK Laws and Lawyers paid from your dues for the intended purpose of imposing Last Best Offer to insure that you gave up something to save the jobs even if you would have never have voted for it?

We keep thinking the LBO will have to be better than the term sheet. What if that is untrue and you would rather have had the term sheet that what the TWU has just done?

In other words, LBO is better for WHO?

Isn't the idea of imposed Last Best Offer the perfect chance to get more TWU Concessions that would never pass the membership?

The TWU didn't agree to it, it was "imposed by the Judge" sounds like a great excuse for another round.
Almost as good as "Without Further Ratification"!

Couldn't agree more..
If the company is willing to make some changes in their LBO.....Maybe that's what they wanted all along?? If the LBO gets rejected, even better for them?
How about the union side of this....Little promises us we will vote on it so if it passes we have no one to blame but ourselves..If it gets rejected, he knows the judge will impose the term sheets and little won't have to use his constitutional powers to undo a no vote..

This is a win win for the company.

 

[FWAAA]

Have you still not been provided with the terms of the LBO?

What a bunch of worthless clowns (the TWU). Someone else tying up the fax machine and computer?

 

[Hopeful]

Have you still not been provided with the terms of the LBO?

What a bunch of worthless clowns (the TWU). Someone else tying up the fax machine and computer?

yeah..this is total B.S.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Word(s) of the day: What and if

Fleets leadership (said loosely) is now stating that a 2% paycut (roughly 42 cents) to keep heads and stop some outsourcing. The prefunding "match" is still being negotiated. The early out is $12,500, 13 weeks severance and $10,00 lump sum.

Was just leafing through the hard copy we have in the readyroom at LGA...

PV's are gone
Loss of one week of vacation
Holidays still 1.5 rate,but you have to physically work the holiday to get paid for it.RDO or VC? SOL.
Sick= Current Book.
Allow use of P/T Crew Chiefs
Cabin,fueling,bus driving gone.
Freight/Mail gone except for DFW,MIA,LAX,JFK and ORD.
4 Additional stations kept open,17 stations staffed with FSC's.
P/T Floor in DFW going to 400 from 200.
ASM cap gone.
System and station protection gone.

 

[Hopeful]

Was just leafing through the hard copy we have in the readyroom at LGA...

PV's are gone
Loss of one week of vacation
Holidays still 1.5 rate,but you have to physically work the holiday to get paid for it.RDO or VC? SOL.
Sick= Current Book.
Allow use of P/T Crew Chiefs
Cabin,fueling,bus driving gone.
Freight/Mail gone except for DFW,MIA,LAX,JFK and ORD.
4 Additional stations kept open,17 stations staffed with FSC's.
P/T Floor in DFW going to 400 from 200.
ASM cap gone.
System and station protection gone.

How many jobs do they figure were saved?

 

[TWU informer]

Couldn't agree more..
If the company is willing to make some changes in their LBO.....Maybe that's what they wanted all along?? If the LBO gets rejected, even better for them?
How about the union side of this....Little promises us we will vote on it so if it passes we have no one to blame but ourselves..If it gets rejected, he knows the judge will impose the term sheets and little won't have to use his constitutional powers to undo a no vote..

This is a win win for the company.

And the TWU

 

[Hopeful]

And the TWU

Of course, that goes without saying.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

How many jobs do they figure were saved?

Guesstimate from one of the officers,1100ish.They really dont know with any degree of certainty yet.

 

[eolesen]

Maybe you should have spent a little less time worrying about an agreement with US Airways?...

Have you still not been provided with the terms of the LBO?

What a bunch of worthless clowns (the TWU). Someone else tying up the fax machine and computer?

Either that, the mimeograph machine is out of ink.

And a fax machine? Please. Being a proud member of the AFL/CIO, they wouldn't want to put the USPS union members out of work.

This will *have* to go snail-mail.