USAPA Loses DFR Case!/US pilot thread

[john john]

John John,

Nicolau was aware of those criteria and even requested an alternate 11th hour proposal from East on the last day of the hearings.

If he was so dead on why offer an alterative. A lest he had vision of the mess it would create.So the mess lays with the merger committee

 

[ussnark]

He did his job with the parties and the policies he had available.

Pounding a screw with a hammer may or may not work. While "acceptable" with a more matched Shuttle/USAir mix the same methodology will likely have broken the material.

No windfall is mentioned in the ALPA policies, something the senile person retaining a title well past it's suggested date of sale, ignored.

 

[cleardirect]

So, you are an E-R grad?

No!

 

[john john]

John John,

Right or wrong ALPA merger policy does not mention DOH. It mentions five criteria and leaves it to the merger committees to fashion a seniority list that complies with those criteria. .

And USAPA has there’s now

 

[rosyjosey]

If they're still working for US, as apparently they are if you're flying with them, they don't get the PBGC retirement checks. Once they've severed the relationship with US they start drawing the PBGC retirement.

Jim

Deleated

 

[cleardirect]

Pounding a screw with a hammer may or may not work. While "acceptable" with a more matched Shuttle/USAir mix the same methodology will likely have broken the material.

No windfall is mentioned in the ALPA policies, something the senile person retaining a title well past it's suggested date of sale, ignored.

Don't you mean windfalls are mentioned? Windfall is an opinion. The guy that we all chose to decide does not think it was a windfall.

Just like the C&R's. I consider unfair. But I guess you think they are OK.

I see you have retreaded the senile old man name calling. What are you going to call judge Wake and a jury of your peers if you lose this case?

 

[prechilill]

YES that is my point


AFA CWA IAM IBT TWU doesn’t think so

Then perhaps you can explain to us out west why you deserve the whole baby and we get nothing? You obviously haven't convinced George Nicolau, and the three arbitrators working the DAL-NWA integration, the US Congress for making the seniority arbitration bill and your former union as well because they don't agree with you either. Everybody understands how our seniority integration process worked itself out except the vocal east. Maybe you shouldn't try for the whole baby next time, or at least recognize you can't leave the other side with nothing and still call it a fair integration. I'm glad you at least admitted you wanted the whole thing, not a split down the middle. Nothing wrong with being honest!

 

[ussnark]

I see you have retreaded the senile old man name calling. What are you going to call judge Wake and a jury of your peers if you lose this case?

First time for me, I think.

My SW DA friend opines that Wake has not near the reputation that you and your friends seem to want to portray, but, hey, they could be wrong. But then, so could you.

and, I have been associated with enough juries to know, as the east pilots continually remind you, that jury rulings are anything but predictable.

and, why would I "blame" a judge if a jury rules in a way I don't like? Sounds to me like a little projection on your part combined with a little ignorance of how courts work?

 

[ussnark]

The guy that we all chose to decide does not think it was a windfall.

Of course he would not. Do you think he invites lawsuits naming himself?

added:

So, a dude makes a decision about something and you cite him as proof he did no wrong?

Glass had it way too easy with you dudes.

 

[john john]

Then perhaps you can explain to us out west why you deserve the whole baby and we get nothing?

Teamster my friend we stand in line to use the bathroom by DOH

 

[CactusFlyr]

No, you see according to the east, experience only occurs at US Airways. Actual experience as opposed to just riding around in an airplane.

To add to that there were no new ER graduates in my class. Almost all were former commuter captains that had gone to work for other majors and later furloughed; United, TWA/American, and yes- US Airways. Average experience in the 14 to 18 year range so take that argument and stick it. On a side note, you guys should all have your licenses revoked, something about being of good character and showing good judgment.

 

[EastUS]

On a side note, you guys should all have your licenses revoked, something about being of good character and showing good judgment.

You folks are seeking to elevate people who were in grade school at the time that others began flying for US into becoming "senior" to the latter. Among your complaining plaintiffs is an individual of all of 29 years of life who you would have become "senior" to those who began their careers at US before this person even reached his ninth birthday....Enough said. On with this unique little show, only to ever even possibly be seen solely within the theater of the absurd.

 

[LSS]

you guys should all have your licenses revoked, something about being of good character and showing good judgment.

... and this coming from a westie... ROTFLMAF...

 

[cubfan]

I have a quick question for all out west, how many of your guys are actually jump seat denyers? I bet not many, I have important business to attend to in AUG out in PHX and won't have time to play j/s games. When this all ends this week, does that put an end to j/s games. Just trying to do alittle pre flt planning. Out of my city, it's all west metal to phx. Thanks

 

[EastUS]

QUOTE (ussnark @ May 11 2009, 06:19 AM) *
I thought that a little interesting also, a Westy arguing for "experience" over simple "theory", as in, two years out of Emory-Riddle vs twenty-three years of actual experience.

It always seems rather difficult for them to stay "on message" when they do not believe in it themselves. shock.gif

UM! EASTUS is one of yours.

QUOTE (EastUS @ May 10 2009, 07:01 AM) *
It sure is, much like experience is within any other human endeavors I'd think....but, heck..enjoy your "theory" anyway. rolleyes.gif

UM! EASTUS is one of yours.

Quite true Cleardirect. Perhaps not surprisingly, the west poster was the person advocating the presumed value of "theory" over experience.