USAirways pilots labor thread 7/23-7-29

[hp_fa]

When the time comes to fly together 99.9% will put the past aside and act like professionals. The rest will be dealt with.

My guess would be more like 96-97%, but I agree the vast majority would probably put it behind them and move on.

 

[HPDriver]

My guess would be more like 96-97%, but I agree the vast majority would probably put it behind them and move on.

I agree with hp_fa.

That 3-4% will never get it and will subsequently be terminated.

 

[Edward]

Folks this is a new thread & it's all ready going the wrong way. I've deleted "several" off topic posts. The back & forth fighting between a couple of you (you know who you are) must stop.

What is it you all do not understand about not making it personal. You all are suppose to be professional. Time to act like it.

None of us get any pleasure in suspensions. So please, act like adults & think before posting. Thank you.

 

[hp_fa]

OK, SSM&P is officially of their collective rockers.

They filed a Motion To Stay today which asks Judge Wake to stay the injunction against USAPA. That, by itself, is not remarkable and fully expected. What is remarkable to me was the following logic that states why the injunction should be stayed.

Thus, a suspension of the injunction causes no prejudice to the Plaintiffs. In the alternative, without a stay, the parties could potentially reach and ratify an agreement incorporating the Nicolau list, thereby rendering the appeal moot and vitiating USAPA’s ability to vindicate its rights under the Railway Labor Act.

The first sentence supposedly stands for the proposition that no harm will come to the Addington Class if the nice judge would just make the injunction go away during the pendancy of the appeal. The second sentence says that if you don't like the preceding sentence then perhaps if you stay the injunction than maybe (if cows can fly) the parties (Comapny & USAPA) could reach a contract and make all of this bad stuff go away. Of course what the sentence fails to say is that USAPA still specifically retains the right to go negotiate that contract right now without court interference as long as it still contains the Nicolau seniority provisions. Also, USAPA is arguing, in the alternative, that it can finalize and ratify that contract in world record time, or at least faster than the 9th Circuit would hear and rule on any appeal.

I always thought it was important to argue the truth in Motions presented to the court. Something about credibility and having the court generally accept the comments made in motions and argument as being honest and cogent. Silly me....

 

[HPearlyretiree]

I agree with hp_fa.

That 3-4% will never get it and will subsequently be terminated.

Yeah, but in a seniority ruled union job, being terminated for bad performance and bad behavior doesn't happen often, its not like the real world.

Sadly.

 

[HPDriver]

Yeah, but in a seniority ruled union job, being terminated for bad performance and bad behavior doesn't happen often, its not like the real world.

Sadly.

Creating a hostile work environment like some of these guys are threatening (Hawkhunter, Barrister, etc) is enough for them to lose their jobs.

And USAPA has been completely unsuccessful in getting pilots their jobs back.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Creating a hostile work environment like some of these guys are threatening (Hawkhunter, Barrister, etc) is enough for them to lose their jobs.

And USAPA has been completely unsuccessful in getting pilots their jobs back.

True, they are just ginning up emotions.

I think that the silent majority of East pilots will come to their senses, overthrow the current USAPA failures and put some reasonable people on the board.

Its either that, or many more years of this garbage.

 

[HPDriver]

Since USAPA's PMI keeps censoring the west reps, they've had to find other means to get their word out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxiXM5ei0q8

 

[flybynite]

How many pilots do we have and how many per base?

 

[flybynite]

Since USAPA's PMI keeps censoring the west reps, they've had to find other means to get their word out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxiXM5ei0q8

Interesting... the spin doctors failed to mention that the West MEC Pres. Le Carre was found guilty of violating Article X of the AFA By Laws and Constitution by the Executive Board. ( in other words..lying and stealing as well as breaching the trust of the JNC. ) And her punishment has been deferred to Council 66.

Was that her husband on there?

 

[Pi brat]

Interesting... the spin doctors failed to mention that the West MEC Pres. Le Carre was found guilty of violating Article X of the AFA By Laws and Constitution by the Executive Board. ( in other words..lying and stealing as well as breaching the trust of the JNC. ) And her punishment has been deferred to Council 66.

Was that her husband on there?

Yes, but we can't be judged by our spouse's actions!

 

[Barrister]

Creating a hostile work environment like some of these guys are threatening (Hawkhunter, Barrister, etc) is enough for them to lose their jobs.

And USAPA has been completely unsuccessful in getting pilots their jobs back.

I challenge you to find any reference whatsover where I have advocated, condoned, supported or even thought of a hostile work environment. I have advocated a NO vote. Do your research. It ain't that hard.

 

[HPDriver]

Interesting... the spin doctors failed to mention that the West MEC Pres. Le Carre was found guilty of violating Article X of the AFA By Laws and Constitution by the Executive Board. ( in other words..lying and stealing as well as breaching the trust of the JNC. ) And her punishment has been deferred to Council 66.

Was that her husband on there?

Nice try.

Had she been found guilty, she would have been kicked out of the AFA.

She's still there because she did nothing wrong.

 

[hp_fa]

To be honest I don't think the AFA issue is relevant to this topic thread. I do not think it is appropriate to bring it in here because he happens to be a pilot here and married to her. Also he has not been alleged or found to have done anything wrong. The subject has been discussed on the AFA thread.

For those wondering I would have the same opinion if this happened to be an East pilot and wife.

 

[V1cut]

Nice try.

Had she been found guilty, she would have been kicked out of the AFA.

She's still there because she did nothing wrong.

To encourage you to become educated before you speak: enjoy



AFA HEARING BOARD RENDERS DECISION - COUNCIL 66 MEC PRESIDENT AND MEC SECRETARY/TREASURER FOUND GUILTY

This week the AFA Hearing Board rendered their decision related to the charges filed against Council 66 MEC President, Lisa LeCarre and Council 66 MEC Secretary/Treasurer, Jeff Albers.

The Hearing Board is comprised of three members of our peers. The Hearing Board found Ms. LeCarre and Mr. Albers guilty of violating Article X.1.(j):

j. Doing any act contrary to the best interests of the Union or its members.


"The board clearly found Ms. LeCarre and Mr. Albers guilty of theft, lying, and breaching the trust of the joint negotiations committee...""

hmmmm