USAirways pilots labor thread 7/23-7-29

[lynyrdskynyrd]

In my opinion, the East pilots non-USAPA supporters and the West pilots represent more than 50% of the pilot group and the USAPA vs. West pilot log jam will be broken one of two ways: A merger with an airline larger than US Airways where the NMB will be required by law to administer a Representation Election or the East pilots non-USAPA supporters and the West pilots banding together to elect another union to replace USAPA.

There are a number of reasons why I believe the sentiment has shifted. If you click here, here, here, here, and here you can read why the sentiment is shifting on the East to no longer support USAPA.

Regards,

USAA320Pilot

P.S. For a comprehensive look at why I believe the East pilot sentiment is shifting to no longer support USAPA click here.

That imposition isn't working out so well, is it?

 

[captainJack]

In my opinion, the East pilots non-USAPA supporters and the West pilots represent more than 50% of the pilot group and the USAPA vs. West pilot log jam will be broken one of two ways: A merger with an airline larger than US Airways where the NMB will be required by law to administer a Representation Election or the East pilots non-USAPA supporters and the West pilots banding together to elect another union to replace USAPA.

There are a number of reasons why I believe the sentiment has shifted. If you click here, here, here, here, and here you can read why the sentiment is shifting on the East to no longer support USAPA.

Regards,

USAA320Pilot

P.S. For a comprehensive look at why I believe the East pilot sentiment is shifting to no longer support USAPA click here.

That imposition isn't working out so well, is it?

That is the same person exhorting all east pilots for months in 2002 that the UAL/US merger was a "done deal". We all saw how well that worked out.......

Forgive the east pilots for taking his postings with a little salt, this time.

 

[Hawkhunter]

In my opinion, the East pilots non-USAPA supporters and the West pilots represent more than 50% of the pilot group and the USAPA vs. West pilot log jam will be broken one of two ways: A merger with an airline larger than US Airways where the NMB will be required by law to administer a Representation Election or the East pilots non-USAPA supporters and the West pilots banding together to elect another union to replace USAPA.

There are a number of reasons why I believe the sentiment has shifted. If you click here, here, here, here, and here you can read why the sentiment is shifting on the East to no longer support USAPA.

Regards,

USAA320Pilot

P.S. For a comprehensive look at why I believe the East pilot sentiment is shifting to no longer support USAPA click here.

And for those who dont care what you have to say click HERE.

 

[LSS]

In my opinion, the East pilots non-USAPA supporters and the West pilots represent more than 50% of the pilot group and the USAPA vs. West pilot log jam will be broken one of two ways: A merger with an airline larger than US Airways where the NMB will be required by law to administer a Representation Election or the East pilots non-USAPA supporters and the West pilots banding together to elect another union to replace USAPA.

There are a number of reasons why I believe the sentiment has shifted. If you click here, here, here, here, and here you can read why the sentiment is shifting on the East to no longer support USAPA.

Regards,

USAA320Pilot


P.S. For a comprehensive look at why I believe the East pilot sentiment is shifting to no longer support USAPA click here.

At it again, CM???

 

[HPearlyretiree]

In my opinion, the East pilots non-USAPA supporters and the West pilots represent more than 50% of the pilot group and the USAPA vs. West pilot log jam will be broken one of two ways: A merger with an airline larger than US Airways where the NMB will be required by law to administer a Representation Election or the East pilots non-USAPA supporters and the West pilots banding together to elect another union to replace USAPA.

There are a number of reasons why I believe the sentiment has shifted. If you click here, here, here, here, and here you can read why the sentiment is shifting on the East to no longer support USAPA.

Regards,

USAA320Pilot

P.S. For a comprehensive look at why I believe the East pilot sentiment is shifting to no longer support USAPA click here.

Judging from the responses you have gotten, I'd say the natives are a bit skeered!

LOL

Maybe some calm heads in the east are realizing they got taken?

Reality sets in, then logic can follow.

(but not on this board! )

 

[ALPO NO MO]

In my opinion, the East pilots non-USAPA supporters and the West pilots represent more than 50% of the pilot group and the USAPA vs. West pilot log jam will be broken one of two ways: A merger with an airline larger than US Airways where the NMB will be required by law to administer a Representation Election or the East pilots non-USAPA supporters and the West pilots banding together to elect another union to replace USAPA.

There are a number of reasons why I believe the sentiment has shifted. If you click here, here, here, here, and here you can read why the sentiment is shifting on the East to no longer support USAPA.

Regards,

USAA320Pilot

P.S. For a comprehensive look at why I believe the East pilot sentiment is shifting to no longer support USAPA click here.

USA320Pilot

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Send your card and donations to USAPA.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[traderjake]

and I agree with them.

But, that does not mean they (or I) are willing to throw our seniority away for a 3% raise

Maybe someday you'll learn the difference between seniority and longevity.

Seniority is your position on a seniority list, that's why it's called a seniority number.

If you're the bottom man on the list for 5 years are you any more senior at year 5 than year one?

 

[hp_fa]

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Send your card and donations to USAPA.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Is there anything wrong with a man or woman expressing that perhaps they either had made a mistake or felt they were fed a bill of goods?

I fully remember USA320Pilot's post that he had spent hours with Stephan Bradford on a long flight (out of SFO if I recall) and Bradford had shared with him a letter from a law firm to the USAPA Interim President. I remember saying on this board that publishing that letter was potentially waiving attorney-client privilege for Bradford and/or USAPA.

What is my point? Bradford was proven, at trial, to have received legal advice and told to keep that advice secret because if the real purpose of USAPA were to become know USAPA would likely lose any DFR action. So, knowing that USA320Pilot was known to spread information, my theory is that Bradford knowingly used USA320Pilot for his misinformation campaign. If my theory is correct then USA320Pilot probably feels a little peeved about having both been used and having been lied to about what USAPA was really about and what it would accomplish.

For all you historians out there, yes this is the same USA320Pilot that I used to debate with at length. Most of the time just seeing his name on a post was like waiving a red cape in front of a bull. However, as I have said regarding other folks with whom I have "debated" with over the years, when someone is right, then they are right. Based on the testimony in court and the way discussions developed here during the 2006-2007 timeframe I can see how all of this came down and how USA320Pilot may feel about all of this.

 

[captainJack]

And missing out on thousands of dollars. Fantastic strategy!!!

Do the math.

Your guy, starting 01 Jul 2009 gets his 3% raise at that time.

My guy does not get his 44% raise until 01 Jan 2010.

When does their collective pay cross?

Ans. Just prior to 15 Jan 2010. Max pay differential for your guy, 01 Jan 2010 when he is up by $1500 over my guy. By the end of Jan 2010, my guy is up $2300 over yours and up $6400 by the end of Feb 2010. The differential soars as time goes on.

Unless someone wishes to retire prior to 15 Jan 2010, why would anyone follow your advise? I mean, can you structure the appropriate equations? Even a lousy pilot should be able to intuit an approximate answer that would suggest you are wrong.

Are you really a pilot?

 

[captainJack]

Seniority is your position on a seniority list, that's why it's called a seniority number.

Actually, you are wrong (look it up in a labour dictionary), but I can play by your rules.

Substitute the word longevity for the word seniority.

 

[traderjake]

Actually, you are wrong (look it up in a labour dictionary), but I can play by your rules.

Substitute the word longevity for the word seniority.

The arbitrator, the two pilot neutrals, and the Delta Northwest arbitration panel say you're wrong. Longevity is not seniority.

Show your "labour dictionary" to the Appeals Court, if you get the chance.

What's the answer to the question I asked?

If you're the bottom man on the seniority list for 5 years are you any more senior at year 5 than year one?

 

[traderjake]

Send your card and donations to USAPA.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

It's OK to be wrong. It's not OK to stay wrong.

Staying wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence is stupid.

 

[captainJack]

It's OK to be wrong. It's not OK to stay wrong.

Staying wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence is stupid.

and yet, you still post.

 

[HPDriver]

My guy does not get his 44% raise until 01 Jan 2010.

Keep dreaming.

I've got PM's from Hawkhunter that don't agree with you.

Not only are you swimming upstream but you're doing it with an anchor attached to your backside.

 

[HPDriver]

It's OK to be wrong. It's not OK to stay wrong.

Staying wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence is stupid.

Good to see east pilots on this board starting to figure it out.

Takes some of the load off of us west guys having to counter all the USAPA propaganda.