US/UA Merger Master Thread

[BobbyBuckInAtlanta]

Asking for 777 manuals and checking out HNL base, if there is a sense of decorum in yourselves please use it. UA people read up on "entitlement" because you're gonna a see that word a lot coming from USAir people.

That's not true..and assuption's like that only create animosity. No one that i know, at least from the east side would ever take an " entitlement " attitude. Now taking advantage of opportunities that arrise from this combonation, on both sides is fine and fair. Any one that start's throwing around an attitude like your describing should be put in their place. IMO

 

[BobbyBuckInAtlanta]

I'm glad the east will never have the privilege of using it. From their recent actions I don't think they are worthy of it :down:

We never wanted it..you can have it.

 

[FlightChic]

I will absolutely die if our current mgmt will be the ones to manage the new United airlines. It would be detrimental. We would be the largest LCC (more like biggest loser) and we would not survive. United is the real deal - a global carrier with a classy product. Imagine trying to use our cheapa$$ RES system, plastic cups in FC and Envoy, sub-par service, no meals, no tidbits, broken and dirty airplanes, and targeting to only the cheap, one trip of a lifetime vacationers. Forget about your loyal customers, business travelers, and travelers with expectations. We're right and the rest of the world is wrong! What's wrong with you people? Why shop at Bloomingdale's when you can buy a cheaper dress at Sears? Is DP in a contest to see how many people he can pi$$ off at one time? If we merge, we need to do away with both mgmt teams and start fresh. As much as I would like to see the United deal to go though even though I will probably lose my job over it, I think turning it into the largest, trailer trash air carrier of choice is not the answer. And if DP thinks things are bad here at US Airways as far as labor goes, he will have a lot more problems since they are so big, miserable, and and underpaid just like we are. I shudder to think that anyone would even consider letting him run such a large airline. I know some of you think he is brilliant in how we are making money, but so many things are broken and need to be fixed and when you don't take care of your assets, they eventually fall apart and you're left with nothing. Of course, he would probably think of a way to get out fast and take a huge bonus/severance package and leave us to destruction.

 

[BobbyBuckInAtlanta]

yes, but CAL doesn't know how to strip FC of food, glassware, and service. CAL doesn't know how to cram more seats into Y and less into FC. CAL doesn't understand that making fuel stops to get where you are going is ok. CAL doesn't understand that charging high fares for no value added is how to operate an airline. CAL doesn't understand that the customers are the enemy. CAL doesn't understand that unhappy employees are how you make money. CAL just doesn't get it. I think it was UAL who shunned CAL.

Wrong..again

 

[BobbyBuckInAtlanta]

:huh: phoenix may be spared somewhat in this annoucement. There are too many jobs in this place to lose and I hope there is a plan to save most of them.

And I don't think we are brainwashed, we're have a different lifestyle out here and we didn't hate management our entire existence, which is what we see from East. :down: Don't knock us because we're not bitter and jaded and hate life :angry: We just value our time away from the company and appreciate it, and we were never even close to liquidation!

Thats not true..just ask DP..Hp"s day's were numbered. Through his own admission.

 

[freedom]

I will absolutely die if our current mgmt will be the ones to manage the new United airlines.

{so on and so forth }

Of course, he would probably think of a way to get out fast and take a huge bonus/severance package and leave us to destruction.

I completely disagree with this sentiment , I think our company has the BEST management in the entire industry , we’re talking trend SETTERS not follow the leader guys …

First I’d like to addresses the broken and dirty planes , hasn’t our company taken tremendous strides in working on the cleanliness of the airplanes for the last few months ?Also as far as inop non essentials the company has been touting that new program where they actually fix the stuff , and from what I’ve heard there’s been a lot of fixing ..

How many months have we been number one now ? Someone’s doing SOMETHING right , how many labor contracts have we signed in the last year alone ?



Look I know you feel strongly about “style†and “class†but I’ve got to tell ya , we’re not flying around the queen of England … the American public by and large is going to care LESS AND LESS about the amenities of their travel experience and more about the PRICE of that experience as this recession continues (parker knows this ). Our population is freaking out over 4 dollar gas and 3 dollar a gallon milk , do you really think their going to care that their drinking out of a plastic cup on board the aircraft ? Even the business sector is going to have to tighten up it’s belt .


It’s somewhat hard for me to say all of this because I’m very aware that a merger with united could cost me my job in the long run .. But if our company is going to stand a good chance of not only surviving but prospering in the new future of 150 oil , then this merger may in fact be a necessity rather than a want .

And the man to LEAD that new airline is and can be none other than Doug parker .

 

[galley princess]

As I recall when Mr. Parker wanted Delta wasn't he going to abandon the whole "LCC" thing? I would guess that the product would go more along the lines of the existing UA product w/ the "cheapest of everything" desert philosophy rearing its ugly head in other ways. I think that DP will most likely direct the new beast, one wonders if he has learned anything at all from this catastrophe.

As for them "fixing the airplanes" I see no evidence of that. There are 330s flying around with ovens broken, lights out and situation normal, videos inop.

Perhaps the domestic fleet is better, but international isn't much to talk about.

 

[InternationalShannon]

I completely disagree with this sentiment , I think our company has the BEST management in the entire industry , we’re talking trend SETTERS not follow the leader guys …


And the man to LEAD that new airline is and can be none other than Doug parker .

Does anyone know if the new uniform is flame resistant? No? I better get out of the way then..... :huh:

 

[freedom]

, one wonders if he has learned anything at all from this catastrophe.

i just don't see this catastrophe your talking about , for the last two years i've been getting my profit sharing checks and we have about 3 billion in the bank , if that's running a bad business than i wonder what you would call a good business ....


Look fellow co workers … a lot of us here are union , which means if our company closes it’s door we’re all SOL if we go to another airline … who here feels like starting at the bottom of the pile ?

I want our airline to live , I want it to succeed , and while you criticize DP for his low cost “Style “ at least he hasn’t presided over a BK where the “low cost†ends up coming from our paychecks ..

I’d rather we end up being the trashcan in the sky that turns a profit than that company people “remember†as having had class and style ….

 

[Travelpro72]

Domestically or internationally, to think that we are any better today is pure BS. Nothing more than PURE bs. I have been on an E190 with a bad 2L door for over a month.....ONE MONTH. It's bad and they know it. Blow the slide and just SEE who takes the business for it. For those of you that are STILL tokin' off the pipe take a look around.....we must ALL be wrong. It's a joke. Yeah ya started cleaning planes.....why has this "talented" management had to take such an initiative to clean the aircraft? Isn't that standard practice at an airline? They went two years of virtually NO cleaning and millions of passengers beating them up. It's a little late don't you think? PLEASE! ! ! !
The ONLY talent this management team has is stripping everything to next to nothing and charging outrageous prices for the junk product. US is THE worst of the airlines as far as the onboard experience. Hell it's THE worst from booking to inflight experience to getting your bag. Hell even the bag numbers are STILL horrible. Not the worst but bad.

 

[freedom]

And during those years , did we make a profit ??? Hmm I think we did ….


I think that all of you should put down your mo hawks for this merger , having good leadership while not self apparent is actually in OUR best interests ….

I know we’ve had labor problems with this company , and continue to do so … BUT we shouldn’t allow our own labor problems to cloud our view of the overall state of our airline … it’s running well , the planes are for the most part clean , and our passengers are content …

I’d rather stick with a management team that we know has a proven track record of success than chance ALL of our careers on the “other “guys .

Remember ………those future contracts with the big money aren’t going to be any good to you if we’re out of business or in BK

 

[etops1]

And during those years , did we make a profit ??? Hmm I think we did ….


I think that all of you should put down your mo hawks for this merger , having good leadership while not self apparent is actually in OUR best interests ….

I know we’ve had labor problems with this company , and continue to do so … BUT we shouldn’t allow our own labor problems to cloud our view of the overall state of our airline … it’s running well , the planes are for the most part clean , and our passengers are content …

I’d rather stick with a management team that we know has a proven track record of success than chance ALL of our careers on the “other “guys .

Remember ………those future contracts with the big money aren’t going to be any good to you if we’re out of business or in BK

i think your on the wrong message board. this is the usairways forum . you can't post things like that on here.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Bear,

UA never actually "merged" with PA. They purchased its London authority and its Pacific system, in effect helping break it up. The balance went to Delta.

And there are those who would question the validity of the success of the US/PI merger--it may have been a success in some areas, but I am sure there are those who would not agree......

Actually, the US/PI merger was a success operationally. There were some bumps in the road, but compared to the US/AW merger, that one was a dream (and I am former PI.)

The real downside to the US/PI merger was that it took a go-getter, forward-thinking, kick-a** competitor and combined it with a stodgy, reactive slow-grower. The result was a bigger stodgy, reactive slow-grower. Some might think that makes it unsuccessful, but I disagree. It successfully became exactly what the US management intended. We might not agree with that intention (I sure don't,) but they took it exactly where they wanted it...and here we are.

 

[sharktooth]

And the man to LEAD that new airline is and can be none other than Doug parker .

You forgot to close your tags. [/snark] There, I did it for you.

 

[etops1]

some facts about ual .



Union Number of
Employees Contract Open for
Amendment
Pilots ALPA 6,518 January 1, 2010
Flight Attendants AFA 15,038 January 8, 2010
Mechanics & Related AMFA 5,551 January 1, 2010
Public Contract Employees/Ramp &
Stores/Security Officers/Food Service Employees/Maintenance Instructors/Fleet
Technical Instructors IAM 17,321 January 1, 2010
Dispatchers PAFCA 172 January 1, 2010
Engineers IFPTE 261 January 1, 2010
Salaried & Management - 10,360 -
Total Employee Group 55,221