US Pilots Labor Topic-Aug 1-5

[EastUS]

QUOTE (USA320Pilot @ Aug 4 2009, 03:23 AM) *
Barrister said: "usa320 Pilot you are the master of FUD. You suggest that a win in the 9th will result in any group voting in a new union to do a staple job on them."

Bingo!

USA320Pilot comments: Be careful, you bring up a good point regarding a fragmentation or even a full blown merger. if USAPA is successful in re-ordering seniority within a contract and wins the legal battle this could have ramifications for all employee groups...."

Quite honestly gentlemen...one must almost have to be honestly appreciative of such wondrous and extensive FUD, for it's creativity, if nothing else. It first covered the supposed chances for a successful appeal, (which "of course" are negligible) and subsequently, almost immediately, projected the dire and cataclysmic consequences to all labor everywhere, should the appeal succeed. Seriously; you've almost gotta' admire the incredible "flexibility and juggling skills" required just to even cast such a gigantic, strangely woven and insanely patched together net!

One must have reasonable faith that only the "slowest moving", actual fish, could ever be caught by such an oddly contrived net. Regarding that last..."actual fish"?....I can only observe that alpa and it's devotees are evidently still employing the tremendous "respect" that's traditionally and always been shown to the line pilots

 

[hp_fa]

Just once I would love to see a labor union, through its officers or negotiating committee, tell the company that it will not sign any confidentiality agreement and won't be placed in a position where it can't discuss matters at length with its membership.

The same concept goes for senators and representatives on the Intelligence Oversight Committees. They sign an oath never ever to reveal what they hear, which may not be the whole truth anyway. What a racket.

 

[EastUS]

The Nic is only unfair to those who fail to distinguish the new USAirways from the old.

Ah! I see now! = It's all just an inconsequential issue of perception?..Whew!...that's a true relief!

What's confusing here though, is that even within your own group...there seems some slight difference of opinion on the real, versus purely perceptive effects of nic:

HPDriver: "It's a matter of when, not if. and the floodgates will open. Sure we won't bump any easties out of their seats, but reserve life will follow most of them into retirement."

HPDriver: As I've stated before, it's just a matter of when, not if and any delay will eventually be reconciled with east pilots sitting of reserve for the remainder of their careers."

"The Nic is only unfair to those....." Uh Huh...whatever you say...

 

[flybynite]

Why would you have to sign a confidentiality agreement?

I have heard of this and I find it strange to say the least why anyone would do this because it just goes against the grain about keeping important information away from the rank and file.

I know it was a scare tactic....but why would you sign that bloody thing?

By the way, I'm not placing blame or judging you about this.

 

[flybynite]

Just once I would love to see a labor union, through its officers or negotiating committee, tell the company that it will not sign any confidentiality agreement and won't be placed in a position where it can't discuss matters at length with its membership.

The same concept goes for senators and representatives on the Intelligence Oversight Committees. They sign an oath never ever to reveal what they hear, which may not be the whole truth anyway. What a racket.

Here Here!!

 

[EastUS]

You might not like my message, but don't shoot the messenger.

Such melodrama! :blink: Don't be ridiculous. In any case; even if one processes reloads...have you even looked at the cost and value of ammo these days?

 

[700UW]

Members of the Negotiating Committee are given access to confidential information that per SEC rules and regulations we are not allowed to discuss in public during negotiations, basically we were given access to the companies books and other information.

You have to sign it to do negotiations which were court ordered under Section 1113 of the bankruptcy laws.

 

[HPDriver]

Ah! I see now! = It's all just an issue of perception?..whew!...that's a true relief!

What's confusing though, is that even within your own group...there seems some slight difference of opinion on the real, versus perceptive, effects of nic:

HPDriver: "It's a matter of when, not if. and the floodgates will open. Sure we won't bump any easties out of their seats, but reserve life will follow most of them into retirement."

HPDriver: As I've stated before, it's just a matter of when, not if and any delay will eventually be reconciled with east pilots sitting of reserve for the remainder of their careers."

"The Nic is only unfair to those....." Uh Huh...whatever you say...

Just pointing out that your delay is futile and there is NO getting around the mutually agreed to binding Nicolau award.

Its just a matter of when, not if.

 

[HPDriver]

USAPA is not weaseling out of labor agreements. It was formed to put together a merged list,

And that's why USAPA lost the DFR.

There was already a list and the company backs that 100%.

 

[EastUS]

Just pointing out that your delay is futile and there is NO getting around the mutually agreed to binding Nicolau award.

Its just a matter of when, not if.

"Resistance is futile!"...Rinse, rant, repeat and attempt sending on a continuous loop if it amuses you. Your notions change existent reality not one iota, nor do you, nor any, have even the slightest ability to accurately predict the future.

Here's where it gets downright amusing for any that are paying attention: Had the west posters any secure knowledge that events would unfold as they wish, (and desperately hope for); I'd reasonably believe there would be no/zip/zero/none/nada reasons whatsoever to maintain this absurd propaganda stream. It would make far more rational sense just to sit back, relax, and enjoy the "certain" fruits of their endeavors in court, and elsewhere. That the last is in no way happening,..that in fact, the propaganda streams and FUD campaigns have actually increased dramatically instead, speaks volumes.

Speak about it to me only "IF" the "WHEN",as you imagine it, ever truly comes to pass.

 

[traderjake]

Have a feeling someone wants that union spot they have been coveting for some time. So much so, making friends with the west side (nothing wrong with that, but the westies should watch out.) Guess someone is really "itching" for that 3% raise..........all for himself....all for the company......

Or maybe he's tired of being represented by people who are mentally and ethically challenged and wants to do something about it.

 

[Bear96]

He is not saying that.

USAPA is not weaseling out of labor agreements. It was formed to put together a merged list[.]

There already was a merged list before USAPA was formed.

 

[Crzipilot]

Or maybe he's tired of being represented by people who are mentally and ethically challenged and wants to do something about it.

Or maybe he has his eyes set on something for himself, and he will flip/flop position at will, to befriend whomever may help him at the moment, slicing their throat the next.

Your side is welcoming him with open arms, as he expouses his rhetoric of coming together to get a contract etc etc. Do us a favor, if there is a split up, why not take him with you?!?!?!? Please???? There are many no fly lists that would empty again.....

 

[john john]

Just once I would love to see a labor union, through its officers or negotiating committee, tell the company that it will not sign any confidentiality agreement and won't be placed in a position where it can't discuss matters at length with its membership.

The same concept goes for senators and representatives on the Intelligence Oversight Committees. They sign an oath never ever to reveal what they hear, which may not be the whole truth anyway. What a racket.

CWA Constitution
© To disseminate information among the workers respecting economic, social, political and other
matters affecting their lives and welfare;
This was an issue during past negotiations

 

[ClueByFour]

Addendum: "The west dearly wants to fantasize that east resolve is collapsing/blah, blah/etc....ummm..sure. My point is that there are actually ZERO logical benefits/gains to be had for the east pilots in abandoning the appeals process, the quest for LOA93-84 resolution, etc. I feel that the west people are certainly capable of understanding this....so...their current position and propaganda output purely puzzles me......sort of

I actually believe this.

There is no way the USAPAians will stop now: when they started down the clearly futile (to anyone with a brain) road of trying to switch unions to avoid an arbitrated seniority dispute, it logically follows that they did and will continue to pour money down the black hole (Seeham) until it closes completely.

USAPAians are the labor union equivalent of birthers: no amount of sound reasoning or rock solid proof matters. Just like the birthers are convinced Obama is from Kenya, so are the USAPAians convinced they actually have a prayer of undoing Nicolau. Good luck with both.