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sharktooth

The moral high ground is held by those with integrity. Binding arbitration is but a piece of negotiation, something that can change when the players change. There is a consequence to not paying dues just as there is one for harassing "brother pilots", termination. USAPA published two opposing points of view. I agree, they should not have published O'Neill's lies.

Please denote when you are talking about, announcement of "merger", ceremonious "merger", or just whenever you decide to hack the clock?

Despite that, MDA was part of US. Sorry to say the "list", as presented to the "nic", was wrong.

I have always found that in business, many opportunities to lie present themselves. In my observations, those lying generally lose. In your case, your "reps" knew that the east list was a lie. They laid low and will now pay the penalties.

Shark,

You accused a man of lying in an article published in a newspaper. That is what I am asking you to prove or withdraw your accusation.

This has nothing to do with time or merger or PID or anything else. Once again I will post some of the comments that were made. If there is anything else in the article that you can prove is a lie please present the evidence.

At the time of the merger, 1,751 of the 5,000 East-based US Airways pilots were laid off.

So, when the arbitrator came back with a decision that provided US Airways' Eastern pilots with the 517 most senior spots on the integrated seniority list,

The middle spots were a ratio of pilots from both airlines, based upon a formula that the arbitrator and two neutral pilots from other airlines felt best represented fairness for all.

Date-of-hire seniority puts the majority of the former America West pilots at the bottom of the list, even below those who were unemployed when the merger took place.

 

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Doug Mowery is also running? Two Mowery's on the ballot.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Doug Mowery is also running? Two Mowery's on the ballot.

Doug Mowery is running for president.

Randall Mowrey is running for vice president.

 

[Piedmont1984]

NYC

How did you find this out? Any other names running for office?

 

[boeingplt]

Doug Mowery is running for president.

Randall Mowrey is running for vice president.

Mowery - Mowrey...... is there really any difference???

 

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Oops the dues committee missed the memo.

USAPA’s entire argument that the Nicolau does not apply to the east is because ALPA is no longer on the property. That was the former union’s obligation.

Someone is going to have to explain to me how is it that dues apply but arbitration does not. This is official union communication and legal position.

Dues Collection Committee Update
January 23, 2009
Fellow Pilots,

Over the past several weeks, your Dues Committee has mailed numerous Section 29 letters notifying delinquent pilots of their obligation to pay their dues, as well as the ramifications of continued inaction. USAPA has endeavored to extend every courtesy and opportunity to these pilots to fulfill their obligation and pay their fair share of union dues. The purpose of the Dues Committee is not to intimidate our brother/sister pilots. These mailings are unfortunate and a task of last resort. US Airways pilots are obligated to pay their union dues. The union name has changed … the obligation has not!

In addition to the aforementioned mailings, phone calls have been and will continue to be made by Darrel Webb, John Mahlman and myself to reach out to pilots who, to date, have remained delinquent in their dues obligation. I personally wish to express my gratitude to both Darrel and John for their professionalism and perseverance in this unpopular mission.

 

[Metroyet]

Oops the dues committee missed the memo.

USAPA’s entire argument that the Nicolau does not apply to the east is because ALPA is no longer on the property. That was the former union’s obligation.

Someone is going to have to explain to me how is it that dues apply but arbitration does not. This is official union communication and legal position.

Why are you surprised? These wanna-be thug idiots have continually been blind to the obvious irony. The sick thing is they actually believe they're making a lasting labor union!!! Hm with a foundation of deceit, lies, and hypocrisy, how can they go wrong?!!

 

[Phoenix]

Someone is going to have to explain to me how is it that dues apply but arbitration does not. This is official union communication and legal position.

The obligation to pay germane dues, at minimum, is a settled issue. Plenty of people complain about it but no one questions the legality of it.

The efficacy of the promises made by ALPA in the course of arbitration remain in question. (But that is not to say that promises made by ALPA are only questioned when made in the context of an arbitration. )

 

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Additionally the arbitration legally required ratification through a joint contract to become effective.

 

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Someone is going to have to explain to me how is it that dues apply but arbitration does not. This is official union communication and legal position.


Additionally the arbitration legally required ratification through a joint contract to become effective.

Technically incorrect.

The joint contract requires ratification. The list is never, was never going to be voted on by the members. That is what arbitration avoids and eliminates.

Otherwise why waste the time? Just send a list out for vote. Majority rules, done. Nowhere in merger policy does it say that the members get to vote on the list.

Did NWA/DAL vote on a seniority list? No they voted on a joint contract. The list came later.

I believe that is one of the misconceptions that has brought us to where we are. No vote on the list.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Someone is going to have to explain to me how is it that dues apply but arbitration does not. This is official union communication and legal position.

Because it's in the west contract that is currently in effect.

Parker told you guys in November (it's on video tape) that you had to pay up or he would be forced to fire you by the requirements of your own contract.

Of course, someone will think up another way to ask the same questions at the next PHX crew meeting, and Parker will patiently say the same things. Again.

 

[nycbusdriver]

NYC

How did you find this out? Any other names running for office?

I asked him.

 

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Because it's in the west contract that is currently in effect.

Parker told you guys in November (it's on video tape) that you had to pay up or he would be forced to fire you by the requirements of your own contract.

Of course, someone will think up another way to ask the same questions at the next PHX crew meeting, and Parker will patiently say the same things. Again.

The T/A says that the result of arbitration will be used by the company. The company accepted it. The Nicolau becomes part of the contract.

The name of the union changed the... obligation did not.

 

[nycbusdriver]

The T/A says that the result of arbitration will be used by the company. The company accepted it. The Nicolau becomes part of the contract.

The name of the union changed the... obligation did not.

Apples and oranges.

You asked why you had to pay dues/fees, and I gave you a direct answer. Your contract is in effect. The T/A describes a process that has not yet taken effect.

When you know the difference, get back to me.

Meantime, pay your dues/fees. It's in your contract.

 

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Apples and oranges.

You asked why you had to pay dues/fees, and I gave you a direct answer. Your contract is in effect. The T/A describes a process that has not yet taken effect.

When you know the difference, get back to me.

Meantime, pay your dues/fees. It's in your contract.

We have a contract and a T/A. Do you not consider the T/A to be a legal document or a part of the contract?

You say that the T/A describes a “process that has not yet taken effectâ€￾. The only part left is implementation of the Nicolau list. Otherwise the rest of the process is finished.

The T/A lists a merger policy. The process was followed. Negotiation, mediation, arbitration. The list was then presented to the company. The company accepted that list. Therefore making the list part of a legal contract. So the list is also in the west and east contract. Just like union dues or crew meals As USAPA said in PHX.

The only thing left is a joint implement. But the process of getting a list is finished. So The union name has changed ...the obligation has not!
USAPA is still contractually obligation to use and implement the Nicolau list.

Arbitration is an obligation.