US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

Exactly! "I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts - John Locke "
I have no earthly Idea why anyone would attend a crew news session absent a free lunch and little curiosity.
I really wish employee's understood the crew news sham. The pretense of it all is rather grotesque.

I agree. The only sound Parker and Kirby should here at ANY Crew News is crickets.

Driver B)

 

[Black Swan]

Never;
That’s the beauty o f the PID (Policy Initiation Date). We are speaking specifically of the PID of AWA’s acquisition of AAA. I believe that the PID for this “merger” took place in May 2005. Apparently we need a memory lesson in the financial state of the airlines when the PID was set.

Let’s have a look at the expert testimony of Mr. Bob Mann during the arbitration proceedings (January 09, 2007):

FREUND: Could you describe in your own terms basically what it is that you are going to be taking us through?

MANN: Well, it is a comparison of two airlines, a tale of two airlines, if you will, and it goes straight to the long term trends in both infrastructure, fleet, operating metrics, block hours, and employment, particularly of pilots, at these two firms, and some of the reasons why one firm, despite experiencing the same cyclicality that the industry has basically, is forced or that the industry faces from competitive forces, economic forces outside and inside, one airline was able to grow steadily while the other airline suffered a long decline.

FREUND: And I take the airline that was able to grow steadily in your judgement was America West and the airline that was in steady decline was US
Airways; is that correct?

MANN: That is correct.

The germane topic is who was where in May 2005, NOT who is where May 2011. On the topic of arbitration, this one Is both FINAL and BINDING. No pilot seniority arbitration has EVER been overturned by the courts (let alone by the antics of the antithesis of a “union”).

What about this entire deal do you guys honestly not get? A whole bunch of east guys are going to make the move to the 76 or 330 very soon. Both seats. Why, would they even consider taking the Nic, when they will be locked off forever? And the resulting pay raise. And all the guys below them, will also get locked right where they are, not getting the raise they are going to get upgrading to capt? We have a bunch of retirements coming. Seriously, you guys do not get it. Secondly, next issue is this. The Nic is such a bastardized windfall, we just aren't going to give it. If it were fair, you would get a deal. There is no way your 2000 and up guys are going ahead of our guys that were around since the 80 s .Honestly, you are wasting your time. Be prepared to live with what you currently have, because it is all you are ever going to get.

 

[luvthe9]

And don't forget to send the Leonidas brochures. By the way, is that the jail Ferguson and Scherff are going to? 😱

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Since paragraph 4 basically undid all you proposed in paragraph 1, 2 and 3, what was your point? You propose a method for settleing the dispute then turn right around and say give us the NIC.

I can render you an opinion on Addington...IT'S DISMISSED.


Driver B)

Couldn't have said it better! DITTO to the BLACK SWAN, they just don't get it! MM!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

BTW, Cally, we did that their called, SEHAM, WILDER & BAPTISTE, etc!

 

[mrbreeze]

What about this entire deal do you guys honestly not get? A whole bunch of east guys are going to make the move to the 76 or 330 very soon. Both seats. Why, would they even consider taking the Nic, when they will be locked off forever? And the resulting pay raise. And all the guys below them, will also get locked right where they are, not getting the raise they are going to get upgrading to capt? We have a bunch of retirements coming. Seriously, you guys do not get it. Secondly, next issue is this. The Nic is such a bastardized windfall, we just aren't going to give it. If it were fair, you would get a deal. There is no way your 2000 and up guys are going ahead of our guys that were around since the 80 s .Honestly, you are wasting your time. Be prepared to live with what you currently have, because it is all you are ever going to get.

Well said...and right on the money!!

 

[nevergiveup]

Never;
That’s the beauty o f the PID (Policy Initiation Date). We are speaking specifically of the PID of AWA’s acquisition of AAA. I believe that the PID for this “merger” took place in May 2005. Apparently we need a memory lesson in the financial state of the airlines when the PID was set.

Let’s have a look at the expert testimony of Mr. Bob Mann during the arbitration proceedings (January 09, 2007):

FREUND: Could you describe in your own terms basically what it is that you are going to be taking us through?

MANN: Well, it is a comparison of two airlines, a tale of two airlines, if you will, and it goes straight to the long term trends in both infrastructure, fleet, operating metrics, block hours, and employment, particularly of pilots, at these two firms, and some of the reasons why one firm, despite experiencing the same cyclicality that the industry has basically, is forced or that the industry faces from competitive forces, economic forces outside and inside, one airline was able to grow steadily while the other airline suffered a long decline.

FREUND: And I take the airline that was able to grow steadily in your judgement was America West and the airline that was in steady decline was US
Airways; is that correct?

MANN: That is correct.

The germane topic is who was where in May 2005, NOT who is where May 2011. On the topic of arbitration, this one Is both FINAL and BINDING. No pilot seniority arbitration has EVER been overturned by the courts (let alone by the antics of the antithesis of a “union”).

 

[Pi brat]

Just ran into one of the merger guys. He told me May 19, 2005. Unless you some proof I will go with May 19, 2005.

Now are you going to answer my question, ever? Do you want the pilots that left between 2005 and 2007 on the list or not?

I don't trust your merger guys. IMHO, they are responsible for a lot of the half-truths that permeate the west. I need a quote. Get back to me.

 

[nevergiveup]

Never;
That’s the beauty o f the PID (Policy Initiation Date). We are speaking specifically of the PID of AWA’s acquisition of AAA. I believe that the PID for this “merger” took place in May 2005. Apparently we need a memory lesson in the financial state of the airlines when the PID was set.

Let’s have a look at the expert testimony of Mr. Bob Mann during the arbitration proceedings (January 09, 2007):

FREUND: Could you describe in your own terms basically what it is that you are going to be taking us through?

MANN: Well, it is a comparison of two airlines, a tale of two airlines, if you will, and it goes straight to the long term trends in both infrastructure, fleet, operating metrics, block hours, and employment, particularly of pilots, at these two firms, and some of the reasons why one firm, despite experiencing the same cyclicality that the industry has basically, is forced or that the industry faces from competitive forces, economic forces outside and inside, one airline was able to grow steadily while the other airline suffered a long decline.

FREUND: And I take the airline that was able to grow steadily in your judgement was America West and the airline that was in steady decline was US
Airways; is that correct?

MANN: That is correct



The germane topic is who was where in May 2005, NOT who is where May 2011. On the topic of arbitration, this one Is both FINAL and BINDING. No pilot seniority arbitration has EVER been overturned by the courts (let alone by the antics of the antithesis of a “union”).

I wish you luck and happiness in your career.

 

[Boeing Driver]

Yup.

 

[cleardirect]

I don't trust your merger guys. IMHO, they are responsible for a lot of the half-truths that permeate the west. I need a quote. Get back to me.

Are you going to answer my question or keep running away? Pilots on the list yes or no?

If you had been given the furloughed pilot to replace the pilots that left would you have accepted the Nicolau?

I gave you my answer to the PID. If you have something different that May 2005 tell us.

Time to man up or shut up.

 

[Boeing Driver]

What about this entire deal do you guys honestly not get? A whole bunch of east guys are going to make the move to the 76 or 330 very soon. Both seats. Why, would they even consider taking the Nic, when they will be locked off forever? And the resulting pay raise. And all the guys below them, will also get locked right where they are, not getting the raise they are going to get upgrading to capt? We have a bunch of retirements coming. Seriously, you guys do not get it. Secondly, next issue is this. The Nic is such a bastardized windfall, we just aren't going to give it. If it were fair, you would get a deal. There is no way your 2000 and up guys are going ahead of our guys that were around since the 80 s .Honestly, you are wasting your time. Be prepared to live with what you currently have, because it is all you are ever going to get.

Do I hear an AMEN!!

Boeing Driver

 

[end_of_alpa]

Just the facts.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Never;
That’s the beauty o f the PID (Policy Initiation Date). We are speaking specifically of the PID of AWA’s acquisition of AAA. I believe that the PID for this “merger” took place in May 2005. Apparently we need a memory lesson in the financial state of the airlines when the PID was set.

Let’s have a look at the expert testimony of Mr. Bob Mann during the arbitration proceedings (January 09, 2007):

FREUND: Could you describe in your own terms basically what it is that you are going to be taking us through?

MANN: Well, it is a comparison of two airlines, a tale of two airlines, if you will, and it goes straight to the long term trends in both infrastructure, fleet, operating metrics, block hours, and employment, particularly of pilots, at these two firms, and some of the reasons why one firm, despite experiencing the same cyclicality that the industry has basically, is forced or that the industry faces from competitive forces, economic forces outside and inside, one airline was able to grow steadily while the other airline suffered a long decline.

FREUND: And I take the airline that was able to grow steadily in your judgement was America West and the airline that was in steady decline was US
Airways; is that correct?

MANN: That is correct.

The germane topic is who was where in May 2005, NOT who is where May 2011. On the topic of arbitration, this one Is both FINAL and BINDING. No pilot seniority arbitration has EVER been overturned by the courts (let alone by the antics of the antithesis of a “union”).

Just the facts.

 

[cactusboy53]

No it is not. And no it will not be used in the next merger - any attempt to do so will result in the merger being tied up in litigation for so long as to make it completely unpalatable for any prospective merger partners.

BOTTOM LINE: Won't happen. No matter how many colorful brochures, packed full of one sided representations, the lowlifes send out.

Count on it.

Boeing Driver

I'm counting on USAPA (in its present form) imploding. I'm counting on Mike Cleary sending more threatening communications to the CEO and BOD of LCC (and to continue to make an fool of himself). I'm counting on 700-1000 of my new best friends to figure out the sham that has been sold as "The Gold Standard" will not happen. I'm counting on Parker eventually using the Nicolau (either forced by the courts or some other outside influence). I'm counting on the AWA pilot group standing, not to be bullied by the school yard thugs that think might makes right. I'm counting on the integrity of the the Leonidas group to continue to educate those that are open to logical discussion. I'm counting on industry average pay for the time being to include 100% pay for mechanicals, dead heads, cancellations and A-sections. I'm counting on a 3.5 weeks of paid vacation (and ultimately 4 weeks). I'm counting on a select few of you to continue to bang your head against the wall when you finally figure out the the Nicolau award is FINAL and BINDING (even if you voted in the Girl Scouts of America as your new CBA).

Still counting..... 😛.........why don't you sit back and let us show you how it's going to happen....