US Pilots Labor Discussion

[sumadarson]

I will ask for proof. Show us where Freund "practically begging the west MEC to come off it"

Show us where the 9th said that the Nicolau "can be easily discarded".

You need to get back to reality and stop making up stuff.

You were recently on furlough for two years as a west pilot hired in 2004. Are you officially off probation yet?

You are going to have to earn it, sorry old boy.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You were recently on furlough...

You supported a pedophile keeping their job as US...you are the company you keep.

Prove your lies, Nos

Jim

 

[sumadarson]

You support a pedophile keeping their job as US...you are the company you keep.

Prove your lies, Nos

Jim

Are you late for the bingo game? Your retired, sit back and enjoy life. The messenger.

 

[Black Swan]

Judge Silver (discussing the 9th's ruling): No question the Court embraced the issue that there was harm to the West Pilots. That was clear."

Wonder who knows more about the law - BS, Hate, or Judge Silver? Wonder who has more experience with the 9th's rulings - BS, Hate, or Judge Silver? Wonder who takes the entirety of the record into account, not just carefully chosen tidbits -- BS, Hate, or Judge Silver?

Jim

My Money is on the Ninth!

Swan


"We do not address the thorny question of the extent to which the
Nicolau Award is binding on USAPA. We note, as the district court recog-
nized, that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was
its predecessor, ALPA. The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the
Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA,
is binding on USAPA."


8008 ADDINGTON v. US AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOC.


8] Plaintiffs seek to escape this conclusion by framing
their harm as the lost opportunity to have a CBA implementing
the Nicolau Award put to a ratification vote. Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots furloughs,
Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3

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2 Plaintiffs’ alleged hardship cannot instead be premised on any delay
caused by USAPA in reaching a single CBA. As the district court noted,
Plaintiffs abandoned their claim that USAPA is intentionally delaying
negotiation of a CBA. Addington, 2009 WL 2169164, at *22 (“During discovery,
Plaintiffs retreated from any notion of deliberate delay on the part
of USAPA.”). The dissent’s assertion that “the absence of a CBA is itself
powerful evidence of a DFR violation,” Diss. op. at 8015, is therefore misplaced.
Although absence of a CBA might be evidence of a DFR violation,
if the violation were based on deliberate delay by the union, it is not evidence
of a union’s improper preference of one seniority system over
another. As demonstrated by ALPA’s similar difficulties in reaching a
CBA, the pilot groups, and individual pilots with their ratification/nonratification
powers, are the major contributors to the absence of a CBA in
these circumstances.

3We do not address the thorny question of the extent to which the
Nicolau Award is binding on USAPA. We note, as the district court recog-
nized, that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was
its predecessor, ALPA. The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the
Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA,
is binding on USAPA. See Diss op. at 8021-22.

 

[BoeingBoy]

The messenger.

A lying messenger gets fired. Be thankful this isn't the Roman empire - you'd end up in the coliseum fighting the lions....

Proof, Nos

Jim

 

[sumadarson]

A lying messenger gets fired.

Prove, Nos

Jim

B 21, I 34, N 6, ..,,...

 

[BoeingBoy]

Proof Nos

Otherwise you're just a liar...

Jim

 

[sumadarson]

Proof Nos

Otherwise you're just a liar...

Jim

We played this game before three times, I will humor you. Proof of what? Be specific.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You know what, unless you just can't keep track of all your lies...

Proof Nos

Jim

 

[nycbusdriver]

Big talk for the guy that hangs out with pedophiles...

I think it more that the desperation is setting in.

Jim

Have you had a cognitive abilities test lately?

What are you talking about?

Who's a pedophile that I "hang out with?"

 

[BoeingBoy]

Have you had a cognitive abilities test lately?

What are you talking about?

Who's a pedophile that I "hang out with?"

The one that pleaded guilty. "You are the company you keep" - Nos

 

[sumadarson]

The one that pleaded guilty. "You are the company you keep" - Nos

Specific?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Are you claiming to be feeble minded now Nos?

Prove your lies.

Jim

 

[cleardirect]

You were recently on furlough for two years as a west pilot hired in 2004. Are you officially off probation yet?

You are going to have to earn it, sorry old boy.

I will ask for proof. Show us where Freund "practically begging the west MEC to come off it"

Show us where the 9th said that the Nicolau "can be easily discarded".

You need to get back to reality and stop making up stuff.

Once again ignored the question. Could you once stick to the subject. My furlough status has nothing to do with east pilots not telling truth or just making stuff up. It should be easy post the letter, e-mail whatever you have.

Where is the proof that Freund said what your buddy claimed?

 

[Hate2fly]

In a few days this letter to the US Airways east pilots from the President of ALPA will be 3 years old. Time flies when you are having fun!

Our boy the desert judge wouldn't let this document in his court room.

Hate

From: ALPA Communications for AAA MEC [[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 5:06 PM
To: alpacommunications-aaamec
Subject: Further Clarification of Separate Operations


March 14, 2008

Dear US Airways Pilot:

I want to respond quickly and in a definitive way to the positive
reactions and questions from many of you to my letter on separate
operations and separate ratification votes.

There should be no confusion on these important points, so I will be as
clear and precise as I can be.

The Transition Agreement requires that the parties maintain separate operations until the implementation of a new collective bargaining
agreement covering the entire airline. Both the Transition Agreement
and ALPA Merger Policy prohibit US Airways from utilizing the
single seniority list until we reach a single agreement.

Merger Policy does not contain a timetable for completing the single
agreement. Rather, Merger Policy calls on the two MECs to work
toward that ultimate goal. While they are doing that, it is not the
responsibility or prerogative of the Association to direct them to reach
agreement on specific contract issues or impose specific contract
solutions.

Some members have asked what will happen if pilots from one group
or the other sue the Association either to block implementation or to
force implementation of the Nicolau award. I repeat—there is no
required timetable for implementation of the award. That only
happens with a single collective bargaining agreement.

So, as required by Merger Policy, the Association will defend the
award but will also work tirelessly to help the two MECs forge
solutions and craft comprehensive proposals that resolve all seniority,
career advancement, and contract issues for all US Airways pilots.
That course of action is consistent with the resolutions of our
Executive Council. As long as the two MECs are working in this
direction, there is a solid defense against court intervention.

When the representation election is behind us, the two MECs can turn
their attention to resolving their differences and reaching an
agreement on contract and career progression issues that will benefit
all US Airways pilots. This will lead to a contract that is much better
than any contract that USAPA can obtain, as it will be a contract that
addresses all pilot concerns. On the other hand, USAPA will propose a
quick, cheap, cost‐neutral contract that addresses only seniority, that
will be tied up in endless litigation, and that is subject to being undone
in future negotiations or in future mergers.

When a tentative agreement is reached under the ALPA structure, each
MEC, followed by each pilot group, will have the right to a separate
ratification vote on that agreement. I want to assure you that
trusteeship will not be used to deprive you of your right to separate
membership ratification. That protection—for each MEC and each
pilot group to analyze, debate, and ratify a contract that meets its
needs—exists in ALPA Merger Policy and does not under USAPA
representation.

In Unity,

Captain John H. Prater
President
ALPA: The Pilots Union
3/14/2008

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I could read this all day long!

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