US Pilots Labor Discussion

[fodase]

What doe this mean?

Usairways Doc 178, Usairways legal position.

The Transition Agreement here is not merely a tentative agreement. It is a fully-executed
CBA, signed by the airlines, the union, and the Master Executive Councils which
separately represented the East Pilots and the West Pilots. (See Doc. No. 156-3 at 40-41.)
Upon execution of the Transition Agreement, the parties (including ALPA at first and
then USAPA) treated it as a binding contract: they acted in accordance with the Transition
Agreement’s terms by, inter alia, adjudicating grievances regarding its interpretation and
application pursuant to its dispute-resolution procedures. (See Doc. No. 164 at 9:13-25.)
The fact that the Nicolau Award has not yet been implemented does not change the fact
that the Transition Agreement contains a commitment to the Nicolau Award, and such
contractual commitment is therefore part of the status quo.4

 

[N924PS]

PS,

USAPA put downs aside, do you fundamentally agree with my union stance above?

Not debating the woulda / coulda / should of's of past happenings concerning the Nic.

FA

If you're asking if I think LOS should be considered in a SLI, the answer is yes.

But not exclusively.

 

[OTTER574]

It will go down just like you flying a 330 for the eastern division, let alone any division. You have that pay rate too don't you? It is yet to happen, just like the Parker offer, it will never come true.

Don't worry claxon/sport...dues check off will soon to be history at a usapa near you.....


OTTER

 

[BoeingBoy]

What doe this mean?

Just what the westies have been saying and the easties are desperately seeking a way around = the Nic is the combined seniority list for US contractually. Use anything else, a different combined list or the separate east and west lists, and the DFR's start flying.

Jim

 

[Res Judicata]

Just like the Delta Debacle. Keep American my American.

Did you somehow miss the news that ALL unionized AMR employees are enthusiastically endorsing Parker? 55 thousand votes IN SUPPORT OF GOOD OL' DOUGWEISER. You probably didn't hear the news because Doug totally, and completely IGNORED USCABA and the worthless buffoons that pretend to be of some kind of importance when, literally, nothing could be further from the truth.

Wait for the coordinated dues lockout...things are going to get a little hairy for your soon to be BK union. Call Seham, maybe he'll give you another discount where he ends up stealing from you!

 

[767one]

Don't worry claxon/sport...dues check off will soon to be history at a usapa near you.....


OTTER

Don't think we had dues "check off" at usapa.

 

[767one]

Hey Idiot! Did you somehow miss the news that ALL unionized AMR employees are enthusiastically endorsing Parker? 55 thousand votes IN SUPPORT OF GOOD OL' DOUGWEISER. You probably didn't hear the news because Doug totally, and completely IGNORED USCABA and the worthless buffoons that pretend to be of some kind of importance when, literally, nothing could be further from the truth.

Wait for the coordinated dues lockout...things are going to get a little hairy for your soon to be BK union. Call Seham, maybe he'll give you another discount where he ends up stealing from you!

I don't think I would stop paying dues until/if APA becomes the cba. Still might be able to be fired and they are offering leaves of absense so you might be doing the company a favor helping them get rid of excess pilots. I more than likely will be gone before and IF this merger happens but I'll pay the dues until the last paycheck just as I paid my alpa dues right up till the time they became history.

 

[OTTER574]

Don't think we had dues "check off" at usapa.

Funny 767one..It's optional here on the west. I never was on ??union?? dues to be deducted from my pay check. I make usapa send me a bill every month. Obviously this was for some very important reasons when you guys voted in your great honest union known as usapa. Formed to screw the WEST.

I hear LCC payroll phones are ringing off the hook as we speak to do the same.....

OTTER

 

[nic4us]

Don't really care one way or another if this happens, If LOA93 till the end is the cards so be it. Most of us adjusted to that over 5 years ago. So Move can you live without the NIC, your senoir guys will give the NIC up for that pay I'm sure.

Still clueless.

Had my AQP last month with a pretty senior check airman.....single digit seniority...and he says go f yourself.

Now he may change his mind for the rates offered, but it won't help him out when any one of the 1884 West pilots who have a contract stating Nic is it could bring the entire integration to a screatching halt.

hmmm....wonder what the 50 or so guys bypassing recall think??? They are making more money than east captains, already flying for rates like that overseas. I am guessing they will have the same sentiment as the senior checkairman.

 

[767one]

Hey east, check out the price that made Nic not so bad:

Year 2: $177.61
• Year 3: $182.94
• Year 4: $188.43
• Year 5: $194.08
• Year 6: $199.90

I don't think too many of your boys are going to let that go by. It's OK, everyone has their price.

This merger has a long way to go. I wouldn't try to pluck the chicken until it's dead.......it might run away from you.

 

[767one]

Luv, are you against the merger?

And just what magic do you think Horton has? Are you hoping this fails so you can remain on LOA93.

Horton is only a very small player in the merger. It is virtually everyone else you have to worry about.

 

[Crzipilot]

Hey west, check out the price that make dropping Nic lawsuits not so bad:

Year 2: $177.61
• Year 3: $182.94
• Year 4: $188.43
• Year 5: $194.08
• Year 6: $199.90

I don't think too many of your boys are going to let that go by. It's OK, everyone has their price.

 

[EastCheats]

I don't think I would stop paying dues until/if APA becomes the cba.

I do recall a certain group of pilots who stopped paying ALPA when decided to form a new and more perfect "union" a few years back. Maybe some people here think that APA may be an improvement over what they have now. I'll bet some people are trading in the Yugo for something that actually moves forward.

 

[767one]

Things have changed over there overnight. What Parker is now offering had changed their tune completely. They've been bought.

They now see Nic ain't do bad.

And theres nothing their union can do to change this.

Nothing has really changed. The merger has not happened and may not happen. If it was a sure thing you would be in Davidson right now looking for a house.

 

[767one]

I do recall a certain group of pilots who stopped paying ALPA when decided to form a new and more perfect "union" a few years back. Maybe some people here think that APA may be an improvement over what they have now. I some people are trading in the Yugo for something that actually moves forward.

Say again.... you are coming in garbled.