US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Black Swan]

Seeham loses again! How much is he gonna make on an appeal?

What has he lost? Addington was blown away.

 

[Phoenix]

My read from Feb 9th hearing along with the briefs filed was that the company was going to have no problem defeating USAPA's motion to dismiss. Nobody knows how a court is going to rule, so neither Doug nor I knew for sure how this was going to go down. The only thing Doug does know, along with Cleary and Grievance Granny, is that LOA93 is a total loss for USAPA.

Enjoy LOA93. The dec action is on and that will take at least another 18-24 months to work through the 9th Circuit. Negotiations will have to be stopped in the meantime. Good thing you chuckleheads threw out all of ALPA's work (75% plus complete on the joint bargaining agreement four years ago) and started again.

You all on the East had better plan on at least a decade at BK wages. Way to go fellas.

You forgot to point out the part where the two parties are told to stop bargaining.

 

[fodase]

OH PI,
You are right to fear dfr2, let's look at what silver says in her ruling:

The East Pilots–who would benefit much more from a strict “date of hire” seniority
rule–were dissatisfied with the Nicolau Award. The East Pilots formed a new labor union
known as USAPA. The USAPA constitution mandates seniority be determined by “date of
hire.” The East Pilots significantly outnumber the West Pilots and when put to a vote by all
the pilots, USAPA was certified as the labor union for both the East and West Pilots.

how about this one

US Airways allegedly accepted the arbitration award and would have implemented it had subsequent events not prevented it from doing so."

You think she see's eye to eye with wake on this one?

P.S it's a small rulling so you should not have any trouble finding these quotes

 

[fodase]

You forgot to point out the part where the two parties are told to stop bargaining.

LOL, what do you think will happen now? a contract asap? This just threw a big monkey wrench on your doh dreams. The Addington case is back on, this time with the company involved. I bet this time she will go declaratory judgement route with usapa kicking and screaming. She will not give the company immunity (even if the west loses the first 2 questions) which means game over, not even the teamsters will save you now.

 

[Code Name V]

OH PI,
You are right to fear dfr2, let's look at what silver says in her ruling:


You think she see's eye to eye with wake on this one?

If so, she'll get a little 'pat' on the fanny as well..

V

 

[nic4us]

You are really mistaken. He never lost even the first one. He just has to take it to San Fran. to undo the Arizona screwups. He wins every time.

Well Luv, I can't say I agree more.

Seeham wins every time.

$800,000 for a failed RICO suit and Appeal. 4 million in Addington. Probably another 2 million losing his motions in the company DJ.

How much has the LM2 shown for legal fees?? 5-6-7 million over the last 3 years?


usapa is a complete schmuck organization, getting milked by Seeham.

Of course Seeham has not won a single case on merit of the dozens of arguements he has proffered.

 

[Metroyet]

Okay, so with USAPA getting SPANKED in court...once again. How long until they appeal, wait for the 9th, and then the supreme Ct? I'd say set your alarm clocks for 18 months from now....where you'll end up exactly where we are today.

Enjoy LOA93, most REAL airlines will be on their second contracts since USCABA showed up. Not you. You'll still be crying about food stamps.

BTW, Kasher is in. Cleary knows it. You lost.

 

[nic4us]

If it's binding arbitration why is the company asking if it is binding?

The company is not asking if Nicolau iis binding, they are asking if it is binding on them.

We all know it is binding between the two pilot groups, and that usapa will lose if they use DOH. What the company is asking is can they be stuck holding the damages bag with usapa since they signed the TA.

 

[Code Name V]

Okay, so with USAPA getting SPANKED in court...once again. How long until they appeal, wait for the 9th, and then the supreme Ct? I'd say set your alarm clocks for 18 months from now....where you'll end up exactly where we are today.

Enjoy LOA93, most REAL airlines will be on their second contracts since USCABA showed up. Not you. You'll still be crying about food stamps.

BTW, Kasher is in. Cleary knows it. You lost.

Crying...Really?.....Must really jerk your chain when we don't get upset over your ranting and raving, huh, Metroman? But you are correct in one thing....Your drunken CEO had done a good job of turning a 'real' airline into a giant POS by trying to bring us down to your level....

V

 

[Black Swan]

OH PI,
You are right to fear dfr2, let's look at what silver says in her ruling:

how about this one




You think she see's eye to eye with wake on this one?

P.S it's a small rulling so you should not have any trouble finding these quotes

And what was that "thing" that PREVENTED them from implementing it? That is right. Change of representation. The same thing that kills it going forward again. Prevented, harsh.....Separate ops. Going forward. Let's hope she says we have to use the Nic, and this thing gets tied up for 10 more yrs.

 

[Metroyet]

Crying...Really?.....Must really jerk your chain when we don't get upset over your ranting and raving, huh, Metroman? But you are correct in one thing....Your drunken CEO had done a good job of turning a 'real' airline into a giant POS by trying to bring us down to your level....

V

THWACK!!!!! THWACK!!!!! THWACK!!!! TTTTTTTHHHHHHHWWWWWAAAACCCCCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!


SPANKED!!!!!

How many more millions of dues dollars has the new "Most Democratic Union in History" (meanwhile the president has sole control) just wasted on ANOTHER

Fools Errand?

 

[Phoenix]

.......

Please remember to get our attention before you start to make a point. "Hey clown!" or "Hey Jackass!" are sorta like beginning a radio call. You cant' just blurt out, "Level at 350." Try again.

 

[Pi brat]

OH PI,
You are right to fear dfr2, let's look at what silver says in her ruling:

how about this one




You think she see's eye to eye with wake on this one?

P.S it's a small rulling so you should not have any trouble finding these quotes

I'll take your word on this one. I have to say that almost everyone of my east and WEST friends were wrong on this one, because the they thought she would dismiss, even though they had different ideas of what that would mean. Me, I had no idea.

I'm glad she will hear it. Now the company can't drag it out to appeal, we will just let USAPA or AOL do that. What, down to 3-5 years?

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Correct me if I am wrong but weren't these were motions to dismiss on various rules after the initial complaint? If so then all that has occurred is a gate has been passed to allow the process to proceed to discovery right? There are various other points in court proceedings where motions to dismiss are made, through discovery, motions for summary judgement and during a trial.

All it sounds from the posting is discovery is going to take to place to provide more information. How could anyone from any side know how this is going to proceed? There could be subsequent motions to dismiss at points down the road that are acted on. There might be a trial that provides a favorable ruling to any of the parties. At the very least, I am guessing the judge allowing discovery helps her fashion any future rulings with a record to protect during appeal.

This isn't really a win/loss situation.

 

[Code Name V]

THWACK!!!!! THWACK!!!!! THWACK!!!! TTTTTTTHHHHHHHWWWWWAAAACCCCCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!


SPANKED!!!!!

How many more millions of dues dollars has the new "Most Democratic Union in History" (meanwhile the president has sole control) just wasted on ANOTHER

Fools Errand?

Is that the sound of the west jerking themselves off again?

V