US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/9- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[flybynite]

While you guys were busy squabbling over the same "old thing, different day" stuff I was reading the news concerning the FAA's new proposal for rest requirements.

Do you have any comments about that?

 

[BoeingBoy]

The complete proposal

Jim

 

[CallawayGolf]

CallawayGolf, on 10 September 2010 - 09:24 AM, said:

"A person's own mind isn't a reliable source for determining moral justifications. "

CG,
I will grant you partial truth in that statement.
Tis why when it comes to morality/truth i concede to HIS WORD.
Are you some kind of diety, because "brother" you sure spout off a lot of morality.
FA

The answer to your rhetorical question is that of course I'm no deity but I am absolutely certain that morality descends from God and His Word. This issue will work it's way through the various legal processes but no matter what happens in the secular realm, the right moral thing for USAPA to do is unquestionably clear. Each day USAPA fails to accept the NIC is another day where they can claim no moral basis for their actions. USAPA is a truly despicable organization.

 

[A320 Driver]

The answer to your rhetorical question is that of course I'm no deity but I am absolutely certain that morality descends from God and His Word. This issue will work it's way through the various legal processes but no matter what happens in the secular realm, the right moral thing for USAPA to do is unquestionably clear. Each day USAPA fails to accept the NIC is another day where they can claim no moral basis for their actions. USAPA is a truly despicable organization.

In my minds eye, Nic or nothing is just as immoral as DOH or nothing. But, I'm just East scum...right?


Driver <_<

 

[flybynite]

The complete proposal

Jim

Thanks Jim.

At first glance, it looks like they just made it legal for you guys to fly trans-con turns.

 

[CallawayGolf]

In my minds eye, Nic or nothing is just as immoral as DOH or nothing. But, I'm just East scum...right?


Driver <_<

Please explain how honoring your agreement is just as immoral as not honoring it.

I have never called the East pilots scum.

 

[Phoenix]

Please explain how honoring your agreement is just as immoral as not honoring it.

I have never called the East pilots scum.

The East didn't break any agreement, the West thinks they did. The West didn't break any agreement, the East thinks they did. Round and round it goes. Valhalla is just over the next ridge.

 

[snapthis]

While you guys were busy squabbling over the same "old thing, different day" stuff I was reading the news concerning the FAA's new proposal for rest requirements.

Do you have any comments about that?

Agreed, same ol stuff. If you are a football fan, Bama is spanking Penn St.

Roll Tide!

 

[Dog Wonder]

Please explain how honoring your agreement is just as immoral as not honoring it.

If morality had a place in the corporate world the honchos would be scrubbing toilets.

 

[nycbusdriver]

... I am absolutely certain that morality descends from God and His Word....

Yes. We see exactly how men of certainty that their stance descended from God acted 9 years ago today.

They had a book, too, full of infallible words directly from God which they used to justify their actions.

It's so pathetic that feeble, imperfect human beings can have the hubris to ever think they know the mind of God with any certainty.

I'll see your Holy Bible, and raise you two Qu'rans and a Tao Te Ching!

 

[cleardirect]

The East didn't break any agreement, the West thinks they did. The West didn't break any agreement, the East thinks they did. Round and round it goes. Valhalla is just over the next ridge.

Just what agreement did the west break?

 

[Barrister]

Swan,

I have read the B&W blog numerous times. It reads almost as bad as a Seham logic train of thought. As a matter of fact it slams Seham for not brining up the east ALPA MEC lawsuit. The funny thing is it quotes judge Wake's assessment of usapa ( "usapa has at various stages misstated law, facts, and procedural history, with frequent recousre to the contradiction or confusion.....produced by a medley of judicial phrases severed from their enviroment") but is just a guilty of doing the same thing. Wilder has a dog in the fight, he advised the east MEC prior to usapa's election, and told them usapa would be unable to change the Nic. Why did he change his mind? In short the guy is a schmuck, he agrees that Wake ruled correctly that usapa was bound as the successor union to ALPA, then turns and argues that usapa does not have to pay any attention to the agreements he just said they were bound to.

The West has not shrugged off the 9th's decision. We understand the points being made by Wilder, inaccurate as they may be. We do not take the advice of Vasin, we take the advice of Polsinelli Shugart. We are not going to re-litigate the same case, argue the same facts and hear Sully's embarassing testimony a second time. If this ever becomes "unquestionably ripe" (which I doubt it ever will because the company is not going to get itself sued for usapa's benefit), we point to Addington, say hey judge, we already litigated this, and we already have a verdict. Starting to understand the 9ths "pain of an unquestionably ripe DFR" quote yet? Maybe Wilder or the longshoreman can chime in on collateral estoppel.

Sir, have you not heard ....you WILL NOT BE REFERRING TO ADDINGTON....EVER
IN THE EYES OF THE LAW IT does not exist....BUT IF YOU CLOSE YOU EYES AND TURN AROUND THREE TIMES....

NICDOA
NPJB ps.....did the flight attendants run you off from their section???

nic

 

[A320 Driver]

Just what agreement did the west break?

Oh Brother...

 

[Metroyet]

Oh Brother...

I was wondering the same thing. What agreement was that?

 

[Phoenix]

Oh Brother...

Nicely put.

Just when the roulette wheel was loosing a little momentum someone had to push it again.