US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/9- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[cynic]

Anyone with experience in meglomaniacal dictatorships care to shed light on this?

Without an armed militia, he can't stay in power forever.

 

[nic4us]

Well if they did they might be thrown into that class of member known as a "WRONGDOER"! That last filing gave me the biggest laugh yet , maybe you could make a video on that one too! Have to go Jimmy Swaggart's back on, his guest tonite Jim Bakker, MM!

MM

Normally I follow you post, but I think you lost me on this one. Which latest filing?

Let us know if Swaggart or Bakker have any comments on issue preclusion, collateral estoppel or capable of repetition yet evading review.

 

[Black Swan]

Happy to oblige. But as you may know, the West pilots eventually joined (except for a small handful of whom I am not aware) and complied.

Can we say the same for you? Ready to comply with the Nicolau Award/Binding Arbitration that you FREELY entered into and KNEW that it was part of using a Mediator/Arbitrator?

Usapa = We know the Nic Award is Binding. We know we have to comply. The holding pattern is over. Cleared direct to destination. Nicolau Award.

Again. Please re, re re re read Baptiste and Wilder. This is so abundantly clear. Why does an organization such as USAPA and USAPA represented pilots have to abide by an ALPA agreement? Simple. They don't. To try and force the new union to do so is to perpetuate the former. What about this don't you get, time and time again? Just because you say it over and over does not make it true. It is that simple. If it is a legal loophole, then it is what it is. Legal and loophole. Waiting it all out. Regardless of what you say about LOA 93 pay, I smell victory coming. Why does it have a beginning and end date? For a reason. It is supposed to end. Dec 31 2009. Back pay and forward pay on the way. Should be coming soon.

 

[notsofast]

You don't happen to have a copy of the original C&B/L's do you. What you quote is the change made after the West pilots quoted the original C&B/L's in their fight to not pay dues since they couldn't become members per the C&B/L's. But being a good union pilot, though, you knew that since you voted on the change.

Jim

You are right

The following video will show the Professional West pilots begging to join USAPA. But USAPA would not let them.

Vinnie meets Joan Rivers

 

[Black Swan]

I believe USAPA supporters feel morally justified in their minds for not abiding by the NIC in much the same way as Hitler felt morally justified in his own mind for killing six million Jews among other actions he took. A person's own mind isn't a reliable source for determining moral justifications. To try and draw an equivalence between what the East has done in comparison to the West is just a pathetic attempt to justify actions that you know deep down are morally indefensible.

Whacked. head to Gainesville. They are looking for you.

 

[Freebird]

A This is so abundantly clear. Why does an organization such as USAPA and USAPA represented pilots have to abide by an ALPA agreement? Simple. They don't.

To try and force the new union to do so is to perpetuate the former.

What about this don't you get, time and time again?

Just because you say it over and over does not make it true. It is that simple.

If it is a legal loophole, then it is what it is. Legal and loophole.

Wow, you're stepping on your crank big time here.

Read your comments. If I'm Doug Parker, I look at Usapa and think about what you just said. I then laugh.

Why Does Parker have to abide by an ALPA agreement with Usapa? Simple, They don't.

Keep clicking your heels Dorothy. Click-click. B)


Usapa = Lord of the dance (of shame)

 

[luvn737s]

Again. Please re, re re re read Baptiste and Wilder. This is so abundantly clear. Why does an organization such as USAPA and USAPA represented pilots have to abide by an ALPA agreement? Simple. They don't. To try and force the new union to do so is to perpetuate the former. What about this don't you get, time and time again?

B/W are intentionally ignoring the different breed of cat that a seniority integration is. Once the pilot group if integrated, then USAPA can carry on like other unions with their agendas and objectives free from the influence of a former bargaining agent (to some extent anyhow). But the integration is very different and it puts the bargaining agent in a unique position. USAPA has chosen to pick one side over the other (exactly what you DON'T want to do) and look where it has landed them and how much negotiating capital it has consumed.

You cling to Baptiste and Wilder because you think it tells you what you want to hear, but in reality, it simply chooses to ignore the differences between a seniority integration and any other union activity. USAPA is bound to the process that it's constituents began under ALPA and likewise it is bound to the outcome of that process.

You might say, that their leeway to govern as they see fit isn't quite RIPE.

 

[notsofast]

Notice in the link to the video below, the pilot that was on the latest WEST pilot star wars video. Notice the West "leaders" beggging West pilots to join. Notice the A330, that they never had a chance or expectation to have, in the background of their message. Notice the mention of an LAS base, which is gone. USAPA was advising them to join, West "leaders" were begging. The reason they want the ill fated, internal union dispute Nicolau, is because they are getting something they thought they would never have, respect as a pilot and working for a major airline.

How you communicate with the kids video.

If the West "leaders" think they have to communicate with you this way, they have no respect for your intelligence.

 

[Phoenix]

Stop right there.

Usapa's 'credibility' and its charter are based on being UNPROFESSIONAL in trying to prop up your career. Your motives are based on dishonor.

Usapa = Unprofessional at best.

Press ahead bro. You've almost reached Valhalla.

 

[notsofast]

I believe USAPA supporters feel morally justified in their minds for not abiding by the NIC in much the same way as Hitler felt morally justified in his own mind for killing six million Jews among other actions he took. A person's own mind isn't a reliable source for determining moral justifications. To try and draw an equivalence between what the East has done in comparison to the West is just a pathetic attempt to justify actions that you know deep down are morally indefensible.

I disagree with your analogy sir.

 

[Freebird]

Press ahead bro. You've almost reached Valhalla.

Redirect. Stay off topic. Divert attention. Here's a suggestion, stay on topic.

Did your group Freely enter Binding Arbitration? Yes

Is Usapa trying desperately to get out of it? Yes

Are their intentions Honorable? No

Is Usapas intentions illegal and wrong? Yes




Usapa = One trick pony. Buying tricks daily from Seham. Next Bidder?

 

[Freebird]

Notice in the link to the video below, the pilot that was on the latest WEST pilot star wars video. Notice the West "leaders" beggging West pilots to join. Notice the A330, that they never had a chance or expectation to have, in the background of their message. Notice the mention of an LAS base, which is gone. USAPA was advising them to join, West "leaders" were begging. The reason they want the ill fated, internal union dispute Nicolau, is because they are getting something they thought they would never have, respect as a pilot and working for a major airline.

How you communicate with the kids video.

If the West "leaders" think they have to communicate with you this way, they have no respect for your intelligence.

Welcome back from furlough. How long have you been back on property?



Usapa = Get 'yer tonic right here, step right up....

 

[notsofast]

Welcome back from furlough. How long have you been back on property?

Redirect. Stay off topic. Divert attention. Here's a suggestion, stay on topic.

You speak with forked tongue sir.

 

[A320 Driver]

I can find NO moral justification for breaking a mutually agreed upon legally binding arbitration.

Do you honestly believe that West pilots are going to strike to help you steal their jobs with a DOH contract?

This isn't Junior High School.

Adults don't make decisions based on name calling and peer pressure.

I'm not going on strike just because you want to.

Do whatever you like. Pound your chest and claim the moral high ground. It's still struck work. Comparisons being drawn between the East pilots and Hitler? Crossing a legal picket line? Your wrong...Jr High School is EXACTLY what this is.

Driver <_<

 

[Black Swan]

Wow, you're stepping on your crank big time here.

Read your comments. If I'm Doug Parker, I look at Usapa and think about what you just said. I then laugh.

Why Does Parker have to abide by an ALPA agreement with Usapa? Simple, They don't.

Keep clicking your heels Dorothy. Click-click. B)


Usapa = Lord of the dance (of shame)

No stepping. Please, re read Baptiste and Wilder. INTERNAL UNION AFFAIRS. Has nothing to do with Parker, YET. Until west pilots get a grasp of this, it is going to be more disappointment. Again.