US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/9- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[767jetz]

I'm insensitive for not knowing somebody has cancer? Please. Pickets are about appearances. Somebody should've lent him a jacket.

I for one admire a guy in his situation who would walk a picket line in support of his union, regardless of what he was wearing. But if I were there I would have given a guy like that, with so much loyalty, the clothes off my back to make him feel welcome and part of the team.

A Jacket? They should have given him an entire complimentary uniform. IMO, THAT was pretty insensitive. But good for him for participating anyway.

 

[Freebird]

Oooh, was he the one wearing the outdated, crumpled uniform with the schmutz on the sleeves?

No, he was one of the 149 Downtrodden ones. The only one smiling was Cleary. He just made a deposit into his bank account with your FPL dues money.

Whether or not you have cancer has ZERO bearing on what his message was. And if he supports Usapa, the Tyrrany the represent and the justification of imposing DOH on the West. And not HONORING BINDING ARBITRATION, Then his message is clear. He is not our friend.




Usapa = Cleary $191,000

 

[Freebird]

Swan,

This is one of my favorite quotes from the 9th........

3 We do not address the thorny question of the extent to which the Nicolau Award is binding on USAPA. We note, as the district court recog-nized, that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor, ALPA.

Somebody got spanked!

Hate

Interpretation ; "that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor, ALPA." So long as it doesnt UNFAIRLY Harm those they represent by using the MAJORITY to impose their will on the MINORITY. At that point, it will become UNQUESTIONABLY RIPE.

USAPA is Free to Staple the East pilots to the West seniority list. They can help the Minority, they cannot Hurt the minority. If you cannot see what your group is trying to STEAL and IMPOSE then you have no sense of Honor. (we all know the answer).


Usapa = Desperation is creeping in back East.

 

[Freebird]

It looks as if the East AFO posters are out in droves today. (Assuming its not the same person---ya right).

$350.00 Triple Pay Year-to-date


$350.00/680 hours pay = $00.51 raise per hour flown.


Thanks Usapa ! You're showing the West !!!

Usapa = Never, Neverland

 

[nic4us]

Guess again.....

Swan,

Thanks, but big mistake.

I understand the water heater on Midway needs repair.

 

[BoeingBoy]

It looks as if the East AFO posters are out in droves today. (Assuming its not the same person---ya right).

Ain't that the truth...the day isn't half over yet and 3-4 pages of repeating more of the same. Though it's too much to go back and reply to (there'd be another new 3-4 pages of the same before I could finish that) I had to laugh at a lot of it - using quotes from USAPA's filings as though they're what the 9th said, reprimanding the use of "out of context" quotes but engaging in the same, accusations of reading things into the 9th's statements instead of just reading the words then using their own interpretation of those words. All the old tricks.

However, one response to Black Swan - I've always understood what you're claiming with the "internal union issue vs union/company issue" and arbitrations. I don't happen to agree but understand what you're claiming. My point, which you didn't address (deflecting as usual) was that one of your own didn't agree with you and supposedly a lawyer involved in the LOA93 grievance disagreed with you also.

Jim

Oh, one other thing. Babtiste & Wilder is not a "he", it would be "they" and as I recall neither of them wrote the blog article you love (though my memory may admittedly be wrong on the latter point).

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

No, he was one of the 149 Downtrodden ones. The only one smiling was Cleary. He just made a deposit into his bank account with your FPL dues money.

Whether or not you have cancer has ZERO bearing on what his message was. And if he supports Usapa, the Tyrrany the represent and the justification of imposing DOH on the West. And not HONORING BINDING ARBITRATION, Then his message is clear. He is not our friend.




Usapa = Cleary $191,000

I LUV SEPERATE OPS, last bid I went E-190f/o to 767INT'L F/o my first call goin to FRA, when I get back( great pay raise BTW, thanx USAPA), I will be able to be on the "explains alot" Judge , 7676jetz mental plane of understanding, man I can't wait! MM!

 

[luvthe9]

Interpretation ; "that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor, ALPA." So long as it doesnt UNFAIRLY Harm those they represent by using the MAJORITY to impose their will on the MINORITY. At that point, it will become UNQUESTIONABLY RIPE.

USAPA is Free to Staple the East pilots to the West seniority list. They can help the Minority, they cannot Hurt the minority. If you cannot see what your group is trying to STEAL and IMPOSE then you have no sense of Honor. (we all know the answer).


Usapa = Desperation is creeping in back East.

Interpretation- Freebird vs Tashima. Gee, I wonder which one takes the cake??? Leonidas=we're the definition of harm! According to.........US!

 

[luvthe9]

I for one admire a guy in his situation who would walk a picket line in support of his union, regardless of what he was wearing. But if I were there I would have given a guy like that, with so much loyalty, the clothes off my back to make him feel welcome and part of the team.

A Jacket? They should have given him an entire complimentary uniform. IMO, THAT was pretty insensitive. But good for him for participating anyway.

Pretty insensitive? Of course, because it was an east guy. You know, the ones you love to hate. By the way, he was a REAL Piedmont pilot!

 

[Black Swan]

Ain't that the truth...the day isn't half over yet and 3-4 pages of repeating more of the same. Though it's too much to go back and reply to (there'd be another new 3-4 pages of the same before I could finish that) I had to laugh at a lot of it - using quotes from USAPA's filings as though they're what the 9th said, reprimanding the use of "out of context" quotes but engaging in the same, accusations of reading things into the 9th's statements instead of just reading the words then using their own interpretation of those words. All the old tricks.

However, one response to Black Swan - I've always understood what you're claiming with the "internal union issue vs union/company issue" and arbitrations. I don't happen to agree but understand what you're claiming. My point, which you didn't address (deflecting as usual) was that one of your own didn't agree with you and supposedly a lawyer involved in the LOA93 grievance disagreed with you also.

Jim

Oh, one other thing. Babtiste & Wilder is not a "he", it would be "they" and as I recall neither of them wrote the blog article you love (though my memory may admittedly be wrong on the latter point).

Wrong Again Jim, yet another swing and a miss by boeing boy...
It is a "he", and for the record it is William "Bill" Wilder, who writes the RLA Blog, see below. You really need to get your facts straight before you pontificate, by the way, the Law firm is Baptiste & Wilder.

Swan


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Judge issues injunction against US Airways pilots union
July 27, 2009 on 5:25 pm | In Airlines, Arbitration, Collective bargaining, RLA case law, US Airways, pilot seniority | 27 Comments

....This decision is wrong, contradicts established law and is dangerous to the state of the law under the Railway Labor Act.

While the judge correctly concluded that USAPA is the successor to ALPA’s collective bargaining agreement, that in no way restricts USAPA from negotiating any and all terms of that agreement, including the Nicolau Award. The judge nowhere considers precedent, such as Association of Flight Attendants v. United Airlines and Association of Flight Attendants v. US Airways, which hold that a predecessor union’s collective bargaining agreement provides only the beginning point for a successor union’s negotiations and the successor is free to negotiate changes to the agreement. To do otherwise would perpetuate the rejected union as representative.

http://bapwild.com/blog/?paged=9

Jury rules against US Airways pilot union
May 14, 2009 on 8:26 pm | In Airline mergers, Arbitration, Collective bargaining, RLA case law, pilot seniority | No Comments

A federal jury in Phoenix, AZ ruled yesterday against the United States Airline Pilots Association, the independent union that displaced the Air Line Pilots Association last year as representative of the pilots of US Airways following the furor over the combined seniority list award handed down under ALPA’s internal arbitration proceeding between pre-merger US Airways and America West pilots.

 

[Richard]

OK Folks,

Stop talking about INDIVIDUALS and stop the back and forth between 2 posters--there is a feature called PM for that.

Keep on topic.

 

[Freebird]

I LUV SEPERATE OPS, last bid I went E-190f/o to 767INT'L F/o my first call goin to FRA, when I get back( great pay raise BTW, thanx USAPA), I will be able to be on the "explains alot" Judge , 7676jetz mental plane of understanding, man I can't wait! MM!

You must LUV low pay as well.

Congratulations on the 'upgrade'. You're still making less money than Spirit. Enjoy your success. Those 4 Day trips that pay 3 make the lucrative "INTL" flying so appealing.

Study some grammar on the long legs. It will make your post comprehensible.

Usapa = We dont care about the top 517, they dont NEED a raise.

 

[Freebird]

Interpretation- Freebird vs Tashima. Gee, I wonder which one takes the cake??? Leonidas=we're the definition of harm! According to.........US!

Waiting for your Supreme Victory. Or Was it a Burrito Supreme?

Usapa = We run from the truth... :blink:

 

[BLT]

I LUV SEPERATE OPS, last bid I went E-190f/o to 767INT'L F/o my first call goin to FRA, when I get back( great pay raise BTW, thanx USAPA), I will be able to be on the "explains alot" Judge , 7676jetz mental plane of understanding, man I can't wait! MM!

Wow, you are flying a 767 for 717 wages and you are proud of it! Way to go USAPA! You really are awesome!

 

[BLT]

I think this statement from the 9th's ruling sums up why the company feels USAPA is not free to use DOH. Of course Cleary might know that, if he ever bothered to attend any meetings with the management of the company he and the pilots he represents work for.

"By deferring judicial intervention, we leave USAPA to bargain
in good faith pursuant to its DFR, with the interests of all members
— both East and West — in mind, under pain of an unquestionably ripe
DFR suit, once a contract is ratified."