US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/9- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Phoenix]

I like the one about "A jury decided USAPA was guilty of violating its DFR and the 9th did not and cannot change that" 717. Don't you know this is the Wake trial that was dismissed? As in means nothing. Are you really forgetting this or just throwing anything and all things on the wall to see what sticks?

Yes, some are very confused about what the 9th did and did not do. The 9th dismissed the case due to ripeness, but did not address various other issues that were appealed. Some are confused that the Addington jury decision is still valid (merely postponed) or that it will be easy to obtain the same result once a case does become ripe, but of course this assumes that all the other issues before the appellant court (which they did not rule on) would have been decided in the West's favor.. a ridiculous assumption under the circumstances. But a group that wants to waste more money would be well served by making more assumptions.

 

[Hate2fly]

Sorry to inform you, in the legal world, Addington has NO standing, no reference for quotation, it does not exist. So if you want to build your foundation on a case that is not a case, be my guest. See you in court!
Leonidas=In Wake we trust. In Wake we lost, in Wake we spent 2 million.........

luvthe9,

The west will never be able to cash the nic lottery ticket. MDA will blow this thing out of the water. Kasher will be coming in soon and it will be ugly for the west. Every new hire coming to the east will always vote with the east pilots so they can get the quick upgrades. Separate operations will be here for a very long time. This is what happens when you are greedy like the west pilot group. Too bad! Wake should have gone to University of Pennsylvania.............big mistake.....this is what happens when you do something for a best friend.

January 1, 2010 pay rates per Restructuring Agreement:
12th year Captain Rate 12th year F/O rate

A330--------$222.26 A330------$152.22
Group 1----$201.35 Group 1---$137.52
Group 2----$174.85 Group 2---$119.42

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[Black Swan]

I don't think anyone on the west thinks it was a bad decision, and I don't think they will have trouble raising money for future litigation.

That is a good thing. Polsinelli Shughart is totally counting on this, you are using them again aren't you?

 

[Black Swan]

You Westies have had to have read the USA Today article on USAirways. Nice job! We have returned to the AWA position in the JD Power standings right where AWA was all these years ago. You cannot paint USAir on the side of it and continue to operate the way AWA did. Right back in the cellar. Good for Doug and Scooter though. It is on time and the bonuses keep coming. That is fabulous. "You work for a dirtbag outfit " is totally correct.

 

[exB717Flyer]

So if you want to build your foundation on a case that is not a case, be my guest. See you in court!

Okay, see you in court! Supreme confidence beats having a meritorious case any day.

 

[Black Swan]

Okay, see you in court! Supreme confidence beats having a meritorious case any day.

This gets better by the minute. Think about what you just posted.

 

[luvn737s]

luvthe9,

The west will never be able to cash the nic lottery ticket. MDA will blow this thing out of the water. Kasher will be coming in soon and it will be ugly for the west. Every new hire coming to the east will always vote with the east pilots so they can get the quick upgrades. Separate operations will be here for a very long time. This is what happens when you are greedy like the west pilot group. Too bad! Wake should have gone to University of Pennsylvania.............big mistake.....this is what happens when you do something for a best friend.

January 1, 2010 pay rates per Restructuring Agreement:
12th year Captain Rate 12th year F/O rate

A330--------$222.26 A330------$152.22
Group 1----$201.35 Group 1---$137.52
Group 2----$174.85 Group 2---$119.42

Hate

Your Achilles tendons must be in tatters from all the clicking your heals and "no place like home" you're doing. Take it easy on yourself - Recall Cleary!

When you wish upon a star,
With a lawyer that should be disbarred,
Everything your heart desires
Will go to him
(Via dues checkoff, no doubt)

A union that's in Cleary's hands
Likes to make it's brash demands
But we all know that the only thing
He'll do is delay

 

[Black Swan]

As an aside. Tell ClearDirect good luck in recall class. I am glad he is back.

 

[767jetz]

Are you honestly telling the board that spending 2 million on a case that had no merit was money well spent? I don't get anything about the insurance policy. They paid 2 million. They got nothing

No. That is not what I said. I am saying that they spent $2M on a case that DID have merit. Remember, the plaintiffs won on merit the only time merit was EVER addressed. The 9th did not address merit. EVER. Only ripeness. If you still dispute this fact then prove it to us all by quoting the SPECIFIC part of the ninth ruling that said there was no merit to their case. Merit and ripeness are totally different. One has nothing to do with the other.

They also deprived USAPA from being able to claim that the statute of limitations has expired, as was the case with TWA as 717 explained. That was the insurance policy. USAPA can not escape the next DFR case on that technicality, as they most certainly would have tried to do. That was the insurance policy and it was money well spent.

 

[767jetz]

You put a post out there that USAPA was found guilty in a trial that was REMANDED, and act like it has any standing? It has NO standing, and you know it.

I know no such thing. Anyone who reads my post can clearly see that what I said was that AT THE TIME, when a jury was looking at only the merit of the case, BEFORE IT WAS REMANDED DUE TO RIPENESS (I hope that's plain English enough), USAPA was found guilty. This is a fact. Once again, the only time merit was ever considered, USAPA lost. (got spanked if you prefer.) THEN it was remanded due to ripeness.

Whether or not it will have any sway in a future DFR suit remains to be seen. IMO it will. (Notice that I said the last part is MY OPINION.)

 

[767jetz]

Separate operations will be here for a very long time. This is what happens when you are greedy like the west pilot group. Too bad!

Wait. I thought a DOH contract was iron clad, slam dunk, internal union matter, etc. Which is it? Iron clad or separate ops forever?

Sounds more and more to me like USAPA supporters are realizing that DOH is DOA, Nic will be here sooner than later, and are hoping against hope to prolong "separate ops" as long as they can.

 

[767jetz]

This gets better by the minute. Think about what you just posted.

It made sense to me. Read it again, this time with the intended sarcasm.

 

[Black Swan]

No. That is not what I said. I am saying that they spent $2M on a case that DID have merit. Remember, the plaintiffs won on merit the only time merit was EVER addressed. The 9th did not address merit. EVER. Only ripeness. If you still dispute this fact then prove it to us all by quoting the SPECIFIC part of the ninth ruling that said there was no merit to their case. Merit and ripeness are totally different. One has nothing to do with the other.

They also deprived USAPA from being able to claim that the statute of limitations has expired, as was the case with TWA as 717 explained. That was the insurance policy. USAPA can not escape the next DFR case on that technicality, as they most certainly would have tried to do. That was the insurance policy and it was money well spent.

Jetzz- you are telling us they spent 2 million on a case that had merit. That was Addington. The entire issue was about a group of pilots that WERE SUPPOSEDLY DAMAGED. It had no merit from the start. How do they have damages when they were never in a contract that damaged them, or put into a seniority list that damaged them?How do you use a jury decision that was nullified, remanded? Answer? There was no damage,YET. Not that there ever will be. But there was never damage that could be recorded. Then the case goes to the 9th, and the merit issue is completely addressed. Not ripe. If you aren't ripe, then you were not damaged. Merit and ripeness are totally different? Addington had no merit. The 9th went over this, even though you like to re write the issue time and again. Do I really have to post what they said about Nicolau AGAIN? This is honestly getting old. If Addington was remanded, and do I have to tell you again it was? Then it means nothing, therefore, it has no merit. This is some really strange logic you are floating to the west masses, and I really am starting to figure out why they keep going in for more punishment. The entire merit issue revolves around RIPENESS. It was NOT RIPE. Can I somehow get it through to you that if it was not ripe, it had no merit? Lets' go back to the basics. How do you seriously sue someone for an accident that has not happened yet? Go and try and file a lawsuit for an accident that has yet to happen. You will get strange looks. Jacobs failed the very basic of tests, and took their money.

 

[Hate2fly]

Wait. I thought a DOH contract was iron clad, slam dunk, internal union matter, etc. Which is it? Iron clad or separate ops forever?

Sounds more and more to me like USAPA supporters are realizing that DOH is DOA, Nic will be here sooner than later, and are hoping against hope to prolong "separate ops" as long as they can.

jetz,

DOH is already in place. Separate operations is a reality. With the LOA 93 pay restoration just around the corner, listen up......no one on the east will be in any hurry to sign anything. You really should be locked on to the UAL/CO love fest that is about to happen. College buddy said it is already starting! We can't wait to watch the pros handle the mega merger.

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[Black Swan]

I know no such thing. Anyone who reads my post can clearly see that what I said was that AT THE TIME, when a jury was looking at only the merit of the case, BEFORE IT WAS REMANDED DUE TO RIPENESS (I hope that's plain English enough), USAPA was found guilty. This is a fact. Once again, the only time merit was ever considered, USAPA lost. (got spanked if you prefer.) THEN it was remanded due to ripeness.

Whether or not it will have any sway in a future DFR suit remains to be seen. IMO it will. (Notice that I said the last part is MY OPINION.)

USAPA was not found guilty. It was not a valid trial, therefore it had no merit.You CANNOT be found guilty in a trial that was remanded.You can NEVER assign merit to a remanded trial. Get it???? Tell me ONE situation where the first trial in a mistrial situation has merit and can be used for reference for a subsequent.Show me in any legal reference where a remanded trial is used as a basis or foundation of legal merit and cited as evidence and accepted in another legal issue. You can't. No validity WHATSOEVER. Nice try.This is honestly getting very old. I hope you are better at flying Jetzzz.