US Pilots Labor Discussion 8/11- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[nic4us]

Mike Cleary, president of USAPA could easily hold a Captains position if he decided to return to the line.

Really? What is his number on the Nic?

 

[767jetz]

oyd is 19 years younger than Conrad but is senior to him

Since when does age have anything to do with seniority? UAL lost a discrimination lawsuit many years ago, so we now use SS # to determine seniority within a group of new hires. I was the youngest in my class and turned out senior to all except one out of 25 guys. The oldest was at least 15 years older than me.

Age has nothing to do with it. You guys need to get over that.

 

[nic4us]

It would be helpful if you would point out the inconsistencies in the ALPA MEC presentation that you allege sir. Being specific would be greatly appreciated.

Specifically, they allege windfall, when none exist. They claim MDA as active, when they were furloughed. They claim the list they presented was not actually their certified list. They claim Nic does not follow industry standard practice, when in fact most seniority integrations in the last 30 years have followed some sort of ratioed list, (and definitely not usapa's DOH "gold standard" BS).

 

[informed]

Really? What is his number on the Nic?

Irrelevant information now sir. Please refer to the 9th District Court of Appeal decision, reference Addington vs USAPA. This is a published court decision.

 

[informed]

Specifically, they allege windfall, when none exist. They claim MDA as active, when they were furloughed. They claim the list they presented was not actually their certified list. They claim Nic does not follow industry standard practice, when in fact most seniority integrations in the last 30 years have followed some sort of ratioed list, (and definitely not usapa's DOH "gold standard" BS).

Specifically the above post is your humble opinion, not a court finding.

 

[nic4us]

You are correct sir he did not have 17 years LOS .....ONLY 16.4,
but who's counting!!! Ha!!!! And 4 above Odell ??..... AWA Boyd
at 0.1 LOS versus U Conrad at 16.8 LOS, no furlough, and.....wait for it....wait for it
....here it comes..

NICDOA
NPJB

.... days from being unemployed ......

 

[cleardirect]

"The airline ratified a new collective bargaining agreement with ALPA on December 30 after more than four years of negotiations."

Your last union for America West pilots took four years.

Let see there was something that happened from the time we started until we finished that contract. What was it? Oh that's right September 11, 2001.

Kind of slowed the contract a bit.

What excuse does usapa have?

 

[luvn737s]

Go read the bottom of the NIC list...what?? have you been in a cave this whole time.
The bottom of the list is our 17 year guys with your new hires.....you getting it yet!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

If he was at the bottom of the USEastlist, why isn't he almost at the bottom of the combined list? What "Lottery ticket" did he draw to move up ahead of the entire AWA pilot group?

I hope you aren't in charge of creating them C&R's you're trying so hard to sell.

 

[luvn737s]

I'm feeling the presence of old nostradamus among the postings.

 

[informed]

Let see there was something that happened from the time we started until we finished that contract. What was it? Oh that's right September 11, 2001.

Kind of slowed the contract a bit.

What excuse does usapa have?

There are many victims of 911, you pale in comparison sir, to the actual ones.

 

[informed]

I'm feeling the presence of old nostradamus among the postings.

Thank you for the compliment.

 

[informed]

Ask the gentleman who is using 911 as an excuse who is the first airline by a mile who asked for 911 help. Enjoy your forum for PC airline news.

 

[nic4us]

Irrelevant information now sir. Please refer to the 9th District Court of Appeal decision, reference Addington vs USAPA. This is a published court decision.

Please reference mandate from said court.

That is if they ever issue a mandate.

But I would suppose they would have to, in order for it to be formally vacated. hmmm..I really do not know.

Anybody else know how that would work?

Also, anybody know F/O Cleary's number on the Nic?

 

[hp_fa]

I'm feeling the presence of....

Thank you. I also picked up on writing style but I couldn't place the name.

 

[cleardirect]

Irrelevant information now sir. Please refer to the 9th District Court of Appeal decision, reference Addington vs USAPA. This is a published court decision.

Talk about irrelevant. Thinking that the Nicolau went anywhere.

The only thing that the ninth said was the DFR is not ripe. They said nothing about the Nicolau.

The company still accepted the Nicolau but have not accepted any DOH from usapa.

The company has filed a law suit asking if they have to use the Nicolau or not. So they must still think that the Nicolau award is relevant.