US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/11- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[EastUS]

Unrestrained narcissism will do that to a person, especially to the weak-minded. The pathological nature of USAPA devotees continues even in face of absurdly bad odds.

We'll simply agree to disagree on how "absurdly bad" any odds are, but fairly note that only the truly "weak minded" much fret over odds whenever pursuing a course they believe to be the correct path. Early west propoganda included actually "pathological", absurdly narcicisstic, and unquestinably "weak-minded" childish fantasies of somehow magically being the equals of King Leonidas at the Gates of Fire, who faced off against completely suicidal odds, but felt himself Duty bound to do so. Hmm...perhaps a bit more time spent yelling standard west variations of how "It's OVER..Get used to it!" and seeing them have not the slightest effect..coupled with the "Miracle in the Desert"..which again, hasn't actually had the slightest effect...well...maybe it's now current west "wisdom" to fret over odds? I can't keep up with the ever changing flavors of west propoganda. You folks flip over faster than pancakes at IHOP.

 

[HPDriver]

Now THAT post is pure fantasy.

Nope.

Not at all.

 

[EastUS]

Now THAT post is pure fantasy.

Agreed...but; While I didn't receive any response from the below, it seems that we're simply unable to understand the thoughts in our own minds NYC, and must properly depend upon the west to tell us what they "really" are:

"You ARE joking...right? I wasn't in favor of dropping the EVP position. Most east folks couldn't have cared less one way or another. It follows from your "logic" that you must feel you now have my "support" for your position?"

 

[veritasaequitas]

America West Airlines history

 

[Metroyet]

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[HP2USFA]

Can we at least NOT use wikipedia information in an attempt to make a point? Try something that can't be edited 2 minutes before you post a link to it.

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Taken from usapas latest missive to the pilots:

"We are not inclined to respond to all of the inaccuracies contained in the Company’s letter, as we continue to respect the arbitral process and do not wish to damage its integrity. However, some of the more outrageous assertions in the Company’s letter beg a response."

So now, it appears, our fearless leadership (term used loosely) is banking on the arbitral process to get what it seeks for part of the pilot group.

Well, usapa, how about honoring previous arbitral process outcomes before you start relying upon one to get your way? Ever hear of INTEGRITY?

 

[Metroyet]

Lets' let the readers decide........

Dead horse. He's already grasped all the straws in existence.

 

[Black Swan]

Taken from usapas latest missive to the pilots:

"We are not inclined to respond to all of the inaccuracies contained in the Company’s letter, as we continue to respect the arbitral process and do not wish to damage its integrity. However, some of the more outrageous assertions in the Company’s letter beg a response."

So now, it appears, our fearless leadership (term used loosely) is banking on the arbitral process to get what it seeks for part of the pilot group.

Well, usapa, how about honoring previous arbitral process outcomes before you start relying upon one to get your way? Ever hear of INTEGRITY?

In light of what was said prior to your post, as far as integrity goes........

 

[Black Swan]

Taken from usapas latest missive to the pilots:

"We are not inclined to respond to all of the inaccuracies contained in the Company’s letter, as we continue to respect the arbitral process and do not wish to damage its integrity. However, some of the more outrageous assertions in the Company’s letter beg a response."

So now, it appears, our fearless leadership (term used loosely) is banking on the arbitral process to get what it seeks for part of the pilot group.

Well, usapa, how about honoring previous arbitral process outcomes before you start relying upon one to get your way? Ever hear of INTEGRITY?

Sure is easy to wave that flag of integrity, isn't it!

 

[hp_fa]

"We are not inclined to respond to all of the inaccuracies contained in the Company’s letter, as we continue to respect the arbitral process and do not wish to damage its integrity. However, some of the more outrageous assertions in the Company’s letter beg a response."

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Well, usapa, how about honoring previous arbitral process outcomes before you start relying upon one to get your way?

Actually that is an interesting statement from USAPA and a valid point that you raise. It could be argued that USAPA believes arbitrations, and their results, are only valid if you get what is sought from the arbitration.

 

[Metroyet]

Actually that is an interesting statement from USAPA and a valid point that you raise. It could be argued that USAPA believes arbitrations, and their results, are only valid if you get what is sought from the arbitration.

I'd say that's a fairly obvious statement by now. Wouldn't you?

 

[Piedmont1984]

Taken from usapas latest missive to the pilots:

Well, usapa, how about honoring previous arbitral process outcomes before you start relying upon one to get your way? Ever hear of INTEGRITY?

You are conflating ALPA's arbitrations with USAPA's. I know that you think there is no distinction. But what I want to know - and what really matters - is what the 9th Circuit thinks.

In many ways USAPA represents a complete repudiation of ALPA's policies, practices and yes, previous commitments. USAPA's coming into existence denotes a dramatic break from what existed before.

Will such a departure be allowed to stand with all of its implications?

If you are correct and the answer is no, then that too has serious and far reaching implications for labor law and practice - does it not?

KV

 

[hp_fa]

You are conflating ALPA's arbitrations with USAPA's. I know that you think there is no distinction. But what I want to know - and what really matters - is what the 9th Circuit thinks.

In many ways USAPA represents a complete repudiation of ALPA's policies, practices and yes, previous commitments. USAPA's coming into existence denotes a dramatic break from what existed before.

Will such a departure be allowed to stand with all of its implications?

If you are correct and the answer is no, then that too has serious and far reaching implications for labor law and practice - does it not?

Let me engage you a bit on this post.

If what you say in the first two paragraph is true and the answer is yes, what is to keep the company from doing the same with all of its contract and prior arbitrations with ALPA? What would be the difference between USAPA unilaterally rescinding prior ALPA contracts and arbitrations and the company than doing the same thing to USAPA, especially if the 9th were to effectively overturn the Nicolau arbitration by lifting the permanent injunction? Basically I am asking how can USAPA pick and choose what prior agreements concerning its workforce that it honors?

Also, what are the serious implications for labor law practice if the 9th upholds Judge Wake?

 

[Black Swan]

Actually that is an interesting statement from USAPA and a valid point that you raise. It could be argued that USAPA believes arbitrations, and their results, are only valid if you get what is sought from the arbitration.

Arbitration conducted within the representation of USAPA, not ALPA. We changed bargaining agents, remember??