US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/11- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[EastUS]

A vote for contract containing the NIC isn't one guy screwing the other.

There is no choice.

1) What alternate universe that comes from, and the thinking behind it, might kindly be better explained....?

2) Guess again. The marvel of being afforded a vote precludes that from ever being the least bit true.

 

[veritasaequitas]

Strange. There has been no Army of Leonidas updates in a month. The last one asked for money and promised badge backers.

The 9th Circuit Court ruling is not out yet because they realize that it is going on to The United States Supreme Court, they are crossing the t's and dotting the i's. Regardless of the ruling, it is going on. More money from you, and different colored badge backers from them.

The merger will take place then and you will be out on the street, at least half of you on the West.

 

[HPDriver]

Strange. There has been no Army of Leonidas updates in a month. The last one asked for money and promised badge backers.

The 9th Circuit Court ruling is not out yet because they realize that it is going on to The United States Supreme Court, they are crossing the t's and dotting the i's. Regardless of the ruling, it is going on. More money from you, and different colored badge backers from them.

The merger will take place then and you will be out on the street, at least half of you on the West.

Yawn.

 

[veritasaequitas]

Yawn.

There are 250 West pilots and their families that do not agree with your sentiments sir. Of course your I've got mine mentality helps you sleep through the night.

 

[hp_fa]

There are 250 West pilots and their families that do not agree with your sentiments sir. Of course your I've got mine mentality helps you sleep through the night.

Wow, oh wow.

Let's just say that if I said what I really think I would be in the cornfield.

 

[cleardirect]

I agree with you sir. The West pilots were offered no furloughs at the Wye River meeting. In addition to this the West was offered half the E190 slots and a percentage of future 757 slots. The West leaders refused to budge because ALPA national told them not to and made them think that a combined contract would be approved by the ALPA MEC shills in the East, in the middle of the night. Not so fast, USAPA was voted in to preclude such a devious plan.

Black Swan, do the West pilots realize that in a future merger with United that has 1200 plus furloughs, at least half the West pilots would be furloughed? The United pilots have many furloughed pilots, with the latest "convenient' change of the ALPA merger policy now, it mandates recognition of date of hire and longevity.

Incorrect on so many issues.

ALPA was twisting AWA MEC arms very hard to get us to give on the Nicolau. Ask yourself this. If ALPA had the ablity to change the Nicolau why didn't they? They did not because national was not party to the deal it was between the east pilots and west pilots.

Why were none of those things offered when the time to bargain was here instead of after?

You had better go back and read that policy again a little closer. All it says is that it can be a factor NOT MANDATORY, NOT a DOH list.

Better think about this. If we merge with UAL an ALPA carrier they are going to be required to use the Nicolau list. What have you guys been hammering on? It was an ALPA policy so it only apllies to ALPA. They are ALPA will use the Nicolau list.

Get used to it!

 

[EastUS]

So the super senior are willing to maintain the status quo in order to deliver the merely senior (junior to the rest of the world) their entitled attrition? /quote]

The status quo isn't at all bad for those of the "super senior" variety, and...umm...exactly WHERE in "the rest of the world" are coworkers with over two decades of work and experience "junior" to you?...outside of your twisted little nic fantasy that is, and your personal desire to gleefully jump ahead of any and all such people? What part of 'the rest of world" can you steer me towards that would even give your little group a moment's indulgence (without raucous laughter) with the absurd fantasy you have, that YOU should become "senior" to them? Seriously; just what portion of what fantasized "rest of the world" are you speaking of here?

 

[HPDriver]

There are 250 West pilots and their families that do not agree with your sentiments sir. Of course your I've got mine mentality helps you sleep through the night.

Ah yes, the Wye River conspiracy comes up again. It usually comes up and then fades away for a bit and then pops up again.

There's always someone who has to post something stupid because he thinks he knows what happened at that meeting.

Simply, it was the east's attempt at a mulligan after getting their butts handed to them by Nic because they wouldn't come off their DOH position.

That's all it was.

 

[cleardirect]

There are 250 West pilots and their families that do not agree with your sentiments sir. Of course your I've got mine mentality helps you sleep through the night.

Well luckily there are not 250 west pilots on furlough, but it is still to many.

But since you seem so happy about our plight. Care to look at how many east pilots are on furlough? How has this east delay helped them?

Speaking of I got mine. Might want to have a word with a couple of the "senior international widebody east pilots" spouting off on here. The seem to be just fine with their pay rate and what they have.

 

[HPDriver]

I agree with you sir. The West pilots were offered no furloughs at the Wye River meeting. In addition to this the West was offered half the E190 slots and a percentage of future 757 slots. The West leaders refused to budge because ALPA national told them not to and made them think that a combined contract would be approved by the ALPA MEC shills in the East, in the middle of the night. Not so fast, USAPA was voted in to preclude such a devious plan.

Pure fantasy.

 

[Metroyet]

There are 250 West pilots and their families that do not agree with your sentiments sir. Of course your I've got mine mentality helps you sleep through the night.

For somebody so concerned with "truth and Justice" (or the hand tattoos of a character on a pathetic straight to dvd movie) you seem to scoff at the actual legal system that found your union guilty of NOT acting on behalf of their legal obligations of veritas aequitas.

Almost seems like a double standard...Imagine that, A USAPA cheerleader displaying hypocritical characteristics. How ODD.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Ah yes, the Wye River conspiracy comes up again. It usually comes up and then fades away for a bit and then pops up again.

There's always someone who has to post something stupid because he thinks he knows what happened at that meeting.

Simply, it was the east's attempt at a mulligan after getting their butts handed to them by Nic because they wouldn't come off their DOH position.

That's all it was.

And after they get done beating that drum, they'll cycle back to putting up the link to the RICO complaint. Then they'll cycle over on to putting up links to Australia. Then they'll talk about what a lousy little airline AWA was. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

 

[HPDriver]

And after they get done beating that drum, they'll cycle back to putting up the link to the RICO complaint. Then they'll cycle over on to putting up links to Australia. Then they'll talk about what a lousy little airline AWA was. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

Yep.

You can pretty much set your watch by it.

 

[nic4us]

Be really, truly thankful that there was a replacement CBA.

If not, you would be working as an "at will" employee under LOA 93 conditions, or worse.

And that is still the risk of forcing USAPA to fold up shop.

I understand what you are saying, but I would be really truly thankful had that replacement CBA not been hostile toward me. I mean come on, if usapa got their way, it would be better to be at will.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Strange. There has been no Army of Leonidas updates in a month.

http://www.armyofleonidas.org/

The 9th Circuit Court ruling is not out yet because they realize that it is going on to The United States Supreme Court, they are crossing the t's and dotting the i's.

But an appeal to SCOTUS doesn't stay the injunction. Atty fees and damages would proceed nonetheless. The reason is that the court of appeals is the only appeal by right. Lose there and that's it. SCOTUS will grant injunctions when needed, ie death penalty cases, but the chances of USAPA getting the SCOTUS to enjoin the 9th would be zero.

The merger will take place then and you will be out on the street, at least half of you on the West.

Let's hope not, because that would mean that 2/3 of East pilots are on the street as well.