Junebug172
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EXACTLY!!!!!
US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/1- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES
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If I thought you could understand what Binding meant, I wouldn't be hammering the point so often.
Live up to your promises, its what honorable people do.
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I don't think anyone is going force a contract per se, however, you may find the particular provisions blocking a seniority list implementation removed. An interesting case is the Alaska Airlines/ALPA v. Jet America. Many similarities however not an exact representation of our circumstances. Nonetheless many points in the "reasoning" from the 9th Circuit show how USAPA may not like what they hear...
Interesting read:
http://cases.justia.com/us-court-of-appeal...873/213/432339/
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9. By way of remedy, the district court: (1) directed ALPA to apply its current merger policy providing for negotiation, mediation and arbitration in order to resolve merger and seniority integration disputes between the two groups of pilots; (2) directed ALPA to treat the former Jet America pilots as a separate ALPA-represented group for purposes of implementing this policy and to appoint three Jet America pilot merger representatives; (3) vacated and set aside the October 6, 1987, seniority integration agreement between ALPA and Alaska Airlines; and (4) specified the basis by which pilots would be furloughed, promoted and given flying assignments in the interim period until a new agreement could be reached.
10. The district court specifically declined to rule on the fairness of the October 6 agreement, concluding that fairness should be determined in light of whatever agreement ultimately was reached pursuant to ALPA's merger policy. The court therefore retained jurisdiction to assess damages upon completion of the new agreement.
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And that union, democratically elected, once represented the same workforce.
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You kissed something different than he ever did. Your money is on Parker. His isn't and never will be. Big difference. We all know it.
Black Swan
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35 and some ALPA years ago. A lot of us remember "Ted" A real office groupie. He hung out so much they made him Assistant TO the chief pilot. "Ted" took that to mean Assistant Chief Pilot. We all had a big laugh over that. Ask him about it sometime........ I am sure he sees it differently.
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Folks:
I've just gone through here & deleted numerous off topic posts that violate board rules. Do NOT make your issues personal.
The next personal attack is going to be spending time away from the board.
I've just gone through here & deleted numerous off topic posts that violate board rules. Do NOT make your issues personal.
The next personal attack is going to be spending time away from the board.
You folks keep claiming "the floodgates will open", when nothing is further from the truth. I really do not think you understand the position you are in. You did not understand it during negotiation, mediation, or arbitration. Your leaders did not understand it during the usapa campaign, and really did not get it during the Addington trial.
No contract will be forced upon usapa or the company. Quite the contrary. usapa will adopt the Nic as their bargaining position and seek its implementation, pay restitution to those they have harmed, or be relieved of their duty, simple as that. No "legal rat's nest", just a recovery from the bad faith, "bad union pilots" attempt to take what is not theirs.
usapa is no champion of labor principles, and unworthy of the title union. usapa is nothing more than an attempted theif being brought to justice. Do not think usapa will be able to dictate terms to the court that has found them guilty.
That is the position you are in.
Weren't those snapbacks your side is so desperately going after also negotiated by a another union?
I guess, by your situation logic, snapbacks don't exist. Or do they?
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No problem. I promise (Scout's Honor) that I will NEVER vote in favor of ANY contract that would implement the nic. I think we're done here.
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EastUS
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A bit of a two-edged sword there. I believe that those same snapbacks are the ones that the west believes were so poorly and ineptly negotiated that they're destined for certain failure in arbitration? Hmmm..but yet the nic's a product of that same previous union....and it of course represents perfection itself in all things spiritual and legal? A bit of situationsl logic/etchics at work there....?
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1) I'm not a believer in initiating cockpit conversation that involves politics or religion...and the nic seems to embody both for west folks. The cockpit is NOT the place to hold someone "hostage" to one's own issues. Doing anything of the sort is hardly the least bit professional, and is entirely inappropriate. It's a pity the west group completely neglected any such philosophy where jumpseats are concerned. As for "expect an earful"? I'd neither offer nor even briefly tolerate any such BS. Your previous observation that "Insubordination would be an understatement" is of considerable interest to me, and I'll note that nothing to defend that has yet been offered.
2) No kidding? Ummm..why have so many west people missed even that basic a concept when fretting over such childish stupidities as who's in their jump seats? Substitute "west" for "east" in your statement and kindly explain that one to all of us.
In fairness to you personally; we've previously both noted that neither of us are among those that deny rides to the other side.
I am curious by your "quote". Refusing to sell one's coworkers of many, many years out for said 30 peices of silver hardly seems contemptable to me....what am I missing?
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A young boy walks into the celestial candy store, hand in hand with his uncle nic. He examines the various confections.....and, after some consideration, asks his uncle if he can dip down deep into the one labeled "Years of Other's Lives and Hard Work". His uncle shrugs and says..."Well..why not? Go ahead and take your fill, and while you're at it; have a handful of Cherry Integrity and some Honor Fudge on the way out". NOTHING is ever paid for any of these "treats"......Who's the "thief"? :blink:
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Nope. Snap backs do not exist, never did, does not matter if it was this union or another one.
BTW where are those transcripts? It has been a month since the great hail Mary pass. A daily update than nothing. Where are the supremely confident updates from USAPA?
Just for fun could one of you tell us what the NEXT desperate play is going to be to try and avoid the Nicolau or joint operations? I am just curious so I can get more pop corn to watch the show.
Is there another long shot grievance hiding somewhere? Some obscure clause that only Seham can see. Maybe the EEOC will come to the rescue.
BTW how is that investigation going? You east guys were going to go complain about age discrimination right. Title VII. where are you at with that?
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