US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/1- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Pi brat]

If you recall, I only mentioned the E190 pilots in response to a post. Who was it that brought your career into the discussion? Wasn't that you? Would you care to quote any of my posts where I said that your career "sucks"? I will say this - you seem very defensive for someone who claims to be satisfied with your career...

Jim

Good God Jim. I explained this to you, go back and read the posts. I was responding to Otter's comments about the "east's failed careers". You jumped in appearing to support his premise. I corrected part of your facts. I never said, that you said, my career sucks. I don't like having people talk down to me. Did you like it when you heard a US Air guy say that Piedmont sucked? Go back and read my posts, I didn't say I was completely satisfied, I said it could have been better, but it was far from "failed". You didn't answer my other questions, why?

 

[veritasaequitas]

According to a federal judge in North Carolina. You have made a false accusation. Charges dismissed with prejudice. You can read right?

I suggest that you stop making false claims since you know them to be untrue.

"Accordingly, the Plaintiff’s
remaining state law claims will be dismissed without prejudice so that
these claims may be re-filed in the appropriate state court."

"While the Court has concluded that such actions do not come
within the purview of RICO, it may well be that a Court of appropriate
jurisdiction will conclude that such actions do constitute violations of state
law and that injunctive relief is warranted to prevent this type of conduct
from continuing. Because the Court has concluded that subject matter
jurisdiction does not lie, however, the Court need not reach the issue of
whether injunctive relief would be appropriate based on the facts presented
in this case."

With and without predjudice findings.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Demanding dues payments from you by USAPA, was brought about because you did not send them in.

Your career was threatened only because you decided to not pay your union dues.

The members that are being sued are not innocent, they sent feces, rocks and threats via the US Mail system. They threatened their own pilots who wanted to become USAPA reps out West. Now the West pilots are advocating their members to become dues current so they have a say, long overdue.

You are a victim of your own emotional decisions you made in the past.

What do you expect? USAPA is like the mafia goon that demands payment to the shopkeeper so that nothing bad happens. A union created for the sole intent of dodging responsibility and agreements, you must be so proud.

Now, that you all face losing..again, your strategy is even more cowardly, delay, delay, delay. Good thing you out east have that cognitive dissonance running so that you all can sleep at night.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You jumped in appearing to support his premise. I corrected part of your facts.

Maybe you should re-read the posts. I was replying to nycbusdriver's post (I even quoted the part I was responding to). Hardly "jumping in". My facts stand, whether 25 year East pilots are on the E190 by choice or not they are still on it as I said.

I never said, that you said, my career sucks. I don't like having people talk down to me.

Maybe responding to what I actually say would be a good start - not what someone else says or some context you put my words into. In the context of nycbusdriver's wide body left seat view of the world all I said was that those people on the E190, furloughed for half or more of their time at US and making less than some Express pilots, might not have the same view of their career as he had of his. I never said anyone's career was a failure, sucked, or anything like that.

Jim

 

[luvn737s]

Damaged credibility is only your humble opinion. Perhaps you can include quotes that would substantiate your personal recollection of the proceedings that day. Your attempt to damage Captain Sullenberger's reputation to further your gain is unconscionable.

Evidently you have not found it necessary to keep up with the proceedings in court, or you would be familiar with Sully's self-inflicted wounds to his credibility.

It's a shame really. The guy is allowing his fame to be used for other's gain, and I find that unconscionable.

 

[veritasaequitas]

Evidently you have not found it necessary to keep up with the proceedings in court, or you would be familiar with Sully's self-inflicted wounds to his credibility.

It's a shame really. The guy is allowing his fame to be used for other's gain, and I find that unconscionable.

Enlighten the masses please, by being specific in your accusations of Captain "Sully" Sullenbergers "self inflicted wounds. Second request by the way.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

"Accordingly, the Plaintiff’s
remaining state law claims will be dismissed without prejudice so that
these claims may be re-filed in the appropriate state court."

"While the Court has concluded that such actions do not come
within the purview of RICO, it may well be that a Court of appropriate
jurisdiction will conclude that such actions do constitute violations of state
law and that injunctive relief is warranted to prevent this type of conduct
from continuing. Because the Court has concluded that subject matter
jurisdiction does not lie, however, the Court need not reach the issue of
whether injunctive relief would be appropriate based on the facts presented
in this case."

With and without predjudice findings.

Well, you posted it. Which named defendant(s) sent feces? Mailed rocks? Hung the doll in a noose? Called the safety hotline? Sent defamatory emails?

Are you going to go to state court with a straight face saying posts about not paying dues or taking jumpseaters somehow violates state laws? The fact that you filed that under federal RICO statutes in the first place is just plain vile and disgusting.

 

[EastUS]

Evidently you have not found it necessary to keep up with the proceedings in court, or you would be familiar with Sully's self-inflicted wounds to his credibility.

It's a shame really. The guy is allowing his fame to be used for other's gain, and I find that unconscionable.

This crap is just waaay past too much. Let's get this all straight here:

1) The man executes the most successful ditching in history.
2) He has the presence of mind to then walk/wade twice through the slowly sinking aircraft to ensure that all pax are off...and even secure the aircraft log.
3) His public conduct throughout the media frenzy couldn't possibly have shown professional pilots in a finer light.
4) He absolutely insisted upon full credit for those of his crew.
5) Your only beef is with some courtroom soap opera that you didn't like because he's not too thrilled with the nic BS?
6) and.....You call yourselves "pilots"??? What an "interesting" set of priorities you have out west......

 

[veritasaequitas]

Well, you posted it. Which named defendant(s) sent feces? Mailed rocks? Hung the doll in a noose? Called the safety hotline? Sent defamatory emails?

This is still being litigated in the court system. Even a West pilot would have the basic intellectual savvy to abstain from putting their return address on a letter addressed to USAPA containing feces.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

This is still being litigated in the court system. Even a West pilot would have the basic intellectual savvy to abstain from putting their return address on a letter addressed to USAPA containing feces.

So would an east pilot. You have plenty of your own who aren't fans. Besides, how do we even know you are telling the truth that you even got any in the mail? Your answer itself suggests you don't know at best, and perhaps are lying at worst.

So what do you do? Name a bunch of guys who make web posts, and try to pass it off on them by some kind of association. Pretty despicable.

Father, usapa has never told a lie.

 

[Metroyet]

Enlighten the masses please, by being specific in your accusations of Captain "Sully" Sullenbergers "self inflicted wounds. Second request by the way.

Sully and Perjury Jack have alot in common. Sully, in his recent letter to US Airways pilots claimed that anyone that "knew" him knows that he wanted to retire with "as little fanfare as possible". Such a low key humble guy...Perhaps he'll have more to say about it while he dances around for cash on "Dancing with the Stars".

How dignified.

Seemingly two incongruous positions...diametrically opposed really. So Which is it? Will the "real" Sully please stand up?

 

[nycbusdriver]

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Ripeness doctrine from another Federal District court of which usapa was Tried and Convicted of DFR. Better known as Judge Neil. V Wake's court room.

"Convicted?"

You really have little knowledge of the judicial system. Conviction is a term used in a criminal trial. USAPA was not "convicted" of anything because the trial was civil.

Keep building up your credibility, though. Very impressive.

 

[nycbusdriver]

The members that are being sued are not innocent, they sent feces, rocks and threats via the US Mail system. They threatened their own pilots who wanted to become USAPA reps out West. Now the West pilots are advocating their members to become dues current so they have a say, long overdue.

PROVE IT.

Well, gee. That's exactly why the whole matter is in a court of law. Why should anyone want to prove it to you on an internet message board?

They will either PROVE IT in court, or not. That is the whole idea, and that is why the case is continuing.

And, thank God, you don't get to decide it, either.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Good God Jim. I explained this to you, go back and read the posts. I was responding to Otter's comments about the "east's failed careers". You jumped in appearing to support his premise. I corrected part of your facts. I never said, that you said, my career sucks. I don't like having people talk down to me. Did you like it when you heard a US Air guy say that Piedmont sucked? Go back and read my posts, I didn't say I was completely satisfied, I said it could have been better, but it was far from "failed". You didn't answer my other questions, why?

I understand the concept of "failed career," although I disagree with the westie conjecture that it applies to the east.

Has anyone considered the concept of "failed retirement?" Nothing better to do than sit around inveighing on topics that have passed you by?

Sad, really.

 

[EastUS]

Ask the emminently qualified 18-yr old that USAirways hired in the past. I guess nepotism used to help folks get on in PIT. AWA used to ask their interviewees how they would define integrity.

Sully's answer probably wouldn't be acceptable though, even if he believed it himself.

"Sully's answer probably wouldn't be acceptable though, even if he believed it himself." Well....I guess it's a darn good thing he never applied there then, but seriously, umm...you're actually saying that AWA's "standards" were just too high for him to be acceptable? :blink: Uhh....ummm....Wow!...Folks...we've not so much entered "The Twilight Zone" as blasted far past it into territory never before even imagined, much less explored.