US Pilots Labor Discussion 2/17- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[EastUS]

I'll consider the source of the rebuttal. Always fair and unbiased. As long is it meets the ALPA gold standard....

Alpa only has one Gold Standard = "How do get more gold into the trough up at Herndon?" The rest's entirely just a vague collection of "policies" and "guidelines".

 

[oscarjazz]

Hey Oscar, the west chose to split this group with the pay and now it has come home to roost. You have NO clue as to the undercurrents here. We got these guys a DC Plan and profit sharing at the beginning. They chose to do nothing but laugh at our pay division. Now you focus on some lawsuit that really will never mean much, we all know it, in the end. Meanwhile- you have lost complete focus on the pay issue because you choose to vent on some minor issue. How about the fact the west has divided this group so seriously that things like this are brought totally out of context? You don't get it because you don't take the time to really dig into the bottom line, and foremost, YOU CANT HANDLE WE DUMPED YOUR VAULTED ALPA!

Is this a joke? The pay parity issue was the most cynical act by the East I have ever seen. After the seniority award comes out, the East pulls out of joint negotiations. Then they ask for support from the West to get pay parity while they try to form a new union to try to get around the seniority award. What do you think the West would say? That is really funny. You asks the West for help while you try to bully them around. And the West started it? You sir, are a funny man.

Once again, I am glad you are out of ALPA. Your food fight was costing the union major dollars, which came out of my pocket, and now your potential liability is many millions. I don't want you in ALPA. Got it.

 

[EastUS]

You're right. You have an obligation to your agreements, a binding agreement, made by your past leadership.

Should that past leadership take precedence over the current? Using the obama metaphor; Should the notions of Mr. Bush override those of the sitting president? Well gosh!...If we go with that...how's anyone to ever get all that "Hope and Spare Change" they voted for?

 

[Phoenix]

I'll consider the source of the rebuttal. Always fair and unbiased. As long is it meets the ALPA gold standard....

Lots of people read Louis Lamour in his day.

 

[EastUS]

Once again, I am glad you are out of ALPA.

I don't want you in ALPA. Got it.

1) At last we can completely agree on at least this one point.

2) Who cares what you want? If you think, for even a second, that the people at Herndon ever care even the slightest what YOU want..well The bloated ticks up at Herndon sure put on a massive propoganda campaign to try and save the dues input, and I can guarantee you wouldn't care less what your opinion is should they ever feel some opportunity to regain said millions. You evidently have no clue as to how that esteemed "association" actually thinks. It's ALL just about the money.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Enough with the Tiger analogies. Notice he was contrite but did not say: "To back up my mea culpa I'm giving back the billion, the 130 ft Feadship, the Gulfstream etc....

AND WE AIN'T GIVING UP THE HARD EARNED YEARS HERE EITHER!!!

VNIMN
NPJB

Right. Just more pathological justifications for why USAPA can disregard binding arbitration. Like Tiger, USAPA will have to have an embarrassing crash in front of the whole world before they begin to accept the truth of the situation and of their gross moral misconduct.

 

[Black Swan]

To be clear, I am not OK with any of the alleged behavior or any behavior like that. I don't know what went on and I don't care to get into the middle of that food fight. The union safety hotline is for the legal protection of the pilots AFTER they are involved in an incident. If you have an immediate safety of flight issue while airborne, you will deal with your dispatcher, ATC, and any company resources you may need. I haven't heard of anyone in the air with an emergency trying to phone their union safety hotline. You try to make this sound like lives would be endangered if your union safety hotline was blocked but that is not the case.

Pull your head out of you know where. If the safety hotline was jammed immediately after 1549 went down, and those pilots were just getting out of the water, wanting to call in resources such as fellow pilots and other CRIP responders to the accident scene, and they got blocked, you are fine with that. You are disgusting.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Lots of people read Louis Lamour in his day.

Ah...the clown does a trick and the poodle yaps in appreciation.

Jim

 

[Tiger 1050]

... Misread on someone else's post. my mistake...

 

[hp_fa]

Pull your head out of you know where. If the safety hotline was jammed immediately after 1549 went down, and those pilots were just getting out of the water, wanting to call in resources such as fellow pilots and other CRIP responders to the accident scene, and they got blocked, you are fine with that. You are disgusting.

Let's be real here. I would expect that nearly everyone at US Airways knew of 1549 before Sully or Jeff ever called the USAPA Safety Hotline.

 

[luvn737s]

Pull your head out of you know where. If the safety hotline was jammed immediately after 1549 went down, and those pilots were just getting out of the water, wanting to call in resources such as fellow pilots and other CRIP responders to the accident scene, and they got blocked, you are fine with that. You are disgusting.

Sounds like they need to re-evaluate their priorities and spend less money on lawyers and more on a more robust safety hotline.

Is there any evidence that alleged blocking actually inhibited the safety hotline from providing such safety critical information? Which emergency was hindered?

In other words (yours specifically), "You don't get harm unless the act happens. A memo is not harm. You maybe able to cry harm after a final proposal from USAPA is made for vote, but this one is premature"

 

[CallawayGolf]

Pull your head out of you know where. If the safety hotline was jammed immediately after 1549 went down, and those pilots were just getting out of the water, wanting to call in resources such as fellow pilots and other CRIP responders to the accident scene, and they got blocked, you are fine with that. You are disgusting.

Right. And what did USAPA do for the pilots after 1549? Those professionals went to LGA and moved Sully & Skiles from where they were supposed to be for their post-incident drug and alcohol testing to an undisclosed location. If the spashdown hadn't been so successful, Sully, Skiles, and USAPA might have had a lot to answer for as they missed the required testing window and made the investigation team think they had something to hide. UASAPA is just a bunch of amateurs who make things up as they go. That hotline that no one is accused of calling is oh so very important.

 

[cleardirect]

Being neither clear nor direct, you have failed to disclose the" contractual violation "that you decided to put out there. Most likely a clearcut Sec. 29 violation. Give it to us. Then we can decide if this was merely a case of one of your selected tearjerker "props" being used to try to convince a female judge that she didn't have to pay closed shop dues all because she had a bunch of kids. Maybe the RIGHT thing to do, since your group is all about integrity, would be to pass the hat for her instead of a bunch of phone jammers.

You demonstrate your ignorance daily. I am done trying to educate you since you refuse to even acknowledge the facts or do a minimum amount of research. I have asked you simple questions but receive nothing but contempt back. If you refuse to learn the facts it will be to your detriment.

It appears that your purpose here is to cause problem instead of exchange ideas or information. Responding to your rants has become a huge waste of time. You add nothing to this so I am putting you on ignore.

I hope that someday you can fully understand just how wrong your actions and attitude has been. BTW you should keep the CIRP number handy I think that you are going to need it very soon.

Have a good day I am done with you.

 

[Freighterguynow]

The USAPA supporters are more than willing to drag this untenable position out as long as they can because every day the award isn’t implemented is considered a win. If they can push that position, even to their own financial harm, all the way to retirement then they effectively “beat the systemâ€￾ even if this is accomplished through spurious legal maneuvers and highly questionable moral conduct.

 

[cleardirect]

Freighterguy

I see your union letter and raise you a federal injunction.

Immediately does not allow for continued separate ops. Delaying for two, three, four years is not good faith.

A. Immediately, and in good faith, make all reasonable efforts to negotiate and
implement a single collective bargaining agreement with US Airways that will
implement the Nicolau Award seniority proposal unmodified, according to its terms;
B. Make all reasonable efforts to support and defend the seniority rights provided
by or arising from the Nicolau Award in negotiations with US Airways; and
Case 2:08-cv-01633-NVW Document 594 Filed 07/17/2009 Page 2 of 3

C. Not negotiate for separate collective bargaining agreements for the separate
pilot groups, but rather negotiate for a single collective bargaining agreement for both
pilot groups that incorporates the Nicolau Award. This injunction does not restrain
USAPA from pursuing its rights under Section 6 of the Railway Labor Act, consistent
with the previous sentence.
The Court retains jurisdiction to enforce, modify, or dissolve the permanent injunction
portion of this order. The Court retains jurisdiction to adjudicate the named Plaintiffs’
unadjudicated claims for damages and any claims for attorney fees.
DATED this 17th day of July 2009.