US Pilots Labor Discussion 12/27- OBSERVE THE RULES OF THE BOARD!

[end_of_alpa]

Is that you Jam Jav?

This kind of drivel sounds like your stuff.

HA HA HA HA.

it's not me! I'm for emploment at will.

You know that now.

 

[luvn737s]

So, now the reason behind USAPA is the altruistic pursuit of a National Seniority List?

"No, not for us, of course, but for the children... "

Please, don't stop. I haven't laughed so hard in years!

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Man, some east posters are getting awful nasty these days.

 

[Black Swan]

There will be a contract with the Nic before you think. Even though you "tell the BPR" what to do. The Scope of the Transition Agreement keeping the 2 airlines seperate is a minor bump in the road to eradicate to join the two groups. Keep clicking your heels.

As for unity, Most of the East jumpseaters and commuters "distance" themselves from your organization. They see that USAPA has been a failed attempt to get rid of the Nic and has done more to destroy the future Unity. But it too has failed. Integrity Matters.

What choice do they have other than to distance themselves if they want to get home? Do you really believe they tell you the truth and get denied a ride home?What an incredibly naive assumption! Also, they are smart enough to not fight in the cockpit.

 

[Black Swan]

So, now the reason behind USAPA is the altruistic pursuit of a National Seniority List?

"No, not for us, of course, but for the children... "

Please, don't stop. I haven't laughed so hard in years!

Yeah, and we just found out who one of the children is........

 

[ableoneable]

Word on the street is that Streble just resigned as sec/treasurer.

Is this also part of "the plan"?

 

[Metroyet]

Word on the street is that Streble just resigned as sec/treasurer.

Is this also part of "the plan"?

Wouldn't surprise me...like rats off a sinking ship.

 

[oscarjazz]

Even by the standards of this forum, this thread has pretty much degenerated beyond belief. It would probably help both sides to just sit back and wait until some of these issues are decided and then move on from there. The endless back and forth is pretty juvenile.

 

[nic4us]

Where do the Wien Air Alaska pilots fit in???

Probably somewhere in front of the Continental line crossing usapa communication rep.

 

[luvthe9]

Wouldn't surprise me...like rats off a sinking ship.

Oh my god it's all falling apart, I just put a call into John Prater, he says come on backs boys ALPA will take care of you.

 

[Hate2fly]

Just curious as to why the BPR is already setting up an escape strategy. Word is that they know the appellate court is not going to rule in their favor and they expect the decision to come down by the end of January.

TP has also briefed the BPR as the the snapbacks and told them that its not winnable.

So your leadership already knows what's going to happen in January, but they continue to string you along.

I'm very curious as to just what kind of exit strategy they've come up with. It must have been pretty ugly - why else would Ciabattoni bail on the USAPA entirely. Typically, if you have a difference at that level, you would expect one to resign but continue with committee duties. Dave chose to distance himself completely.

And after January 15th, I don't think there will be much left on the MDA front.

Yo HPDriver,

You have it all figured out already. Wrong.

We feel supremely confident that the 9th is not about to change labor law in this country.

You got some bad intel on TP. They will be meeting on the 4th and 5th to discuss strategy. You are way off base on this one! Donn B. has already been involved.

BPR meeting 6,7,8 maybe your source can give you better intel after the meetings.

The strategy is the same in January as it has always been in the past.

Hate

 

[HPDriver]

Yo HPDriver,

You have it all figured out already. Wrong.

We feel supremely confident that the 9th is not about to change labor law in this country.

You got some bad intel on TP. They will be meeting on the 4th and 5th to discuss strategy. You are way off base on this one! Donn B. has already been involved.

BPR meeting 6,7,8 maybe your source can give you better intel after the meetings.

The strategy is the same in January as it has always been in the past.

Hate

I think my track record here is proven me as someone who has good sources and I stand by my statements. At least it won't take long to prove me right.

The 9th will have something out by the end of January. From a number of "smart" people that I've asked regarding the appeal and its unanimous that there is no chance of Wake being overturned. And I mean zippo.

I stand by my TP statement. She knows the burden of proof goes to USAPA and even a modicum of doubt will have the arbitrator ruling against USAPA. She obviously knows the grievance process and also understands the arbitrator can, and most likely will, sit on his decision for a period of time. And with the monetary burden that a ruling would bring to the company, it stacks the deck even more against USAPA. She's not be pessimistic, but realistic. Its a steep and long climb and February 1st is only the first step.

And I bet you don't see a decision before another merger is announced which would then render the whole process moot.

And that other shoe that I would predict would drop just did - Streble.

Glad to see you taking such an interest in my posts.

 

[cleardirect]

Yo HPDriver,

You have it all figured out already. Wrong.

We feel supremely confident that the 9th is not about to change labor law in this country.

You got some bad intel on TP. They will be meeting on the 4th and 5th to discuss strategy. You are way off base on this one! Donn B. has already been involved.

BPR meeting 6,7,8 maybe your source can give you better intel after the meetings.

The strategy is the same in January as it has always been in the past.

Hate

Exactly which labor law do you think is being changed? Please cite the federal law please.

No, what the Ninth Circuit is going to do is protect the rule of arbitration. Just off the top of your head which do you think is more important to the overall rule of law. That unions can do whatever the current leadership wants to or the entire point of binding arbitration?

If the ninth agrees that binding arbitration can be thrown out by an unhappy party how quick do you think we will see law suits in federal court trying to weasel out of arbitration? Maybe even the company and that $35 million coming up.

The union is free to negotiate the entire contract (as long as it is fair to ALL pilots) except the part the was arbitrated. It really is that easy.

Well as long as Donn B is on the case It must be a sure thing. Oh but wait DB is an old ALPA guy and what have we been told for two years now. Anything to do with ALPA is bad and wrong and out to screw the east pilots. Could you tell me now? When the snap backs don’t happen will it be DB’s fault?

Check your calendar. Meeting is only the 7&8. On the sixth there will be a picket in LAS can we count on you to come support your union brothers on the line? Come help save the LAS base.

 

[Hate2fly]

I think my track record here is proven me as someone who has good sources and I stand by my statements. At least it won't take long to prove me right.

The 9th will have something out by the end of January. From a number of "smart" people that I've asked regarding the appeal and its unanimous that there is no chance of Wake being overturned. And I mean zippo.

I stand by my TP statement. She knows the burden of proof goes to USAPA and even a modicum of doubt will have the arbitrator ruling against USAPA. She obviously knows the grievance process and also understands the arbitrator can, and most likely will, sit on his decision for a period of time. And with the monetary burden that a ruling would bring to the company, it stacks the deck even more against USAPA. She's not be pessimistic, but realistic. Its a steep and long climb and February 1st is only the first step.

And I bet you don't see a dime of your snapback before another merger is announced which would then render the whole process moot.

And that other shoe that I would predict would drop just did - Streble.

Glad to see you taking such an interest in my posts.

Driver,

You are definately in desperation mode.

I just got off the phone with my good man Streble and he is still in his position. You are putting out bad info.

Hate

 

[Hate2fly]

Word on the street is that Streble just resigned as sec/treasurer.

Is this also part of "the plan"?

Yo ableoneable,

Bad info ALERT! Just talked to Streble and he was still on the job. Try again.

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