US Pilots Labor Discussion 12/14- OBSERVE THE RULES OF THE BOARD!

[nic4us]

Huh, If you have 10 east pilots and 10 west pilots and the 10 east pilots retire, which 10 are left? In know this is a tough concept but,.....

Answere, shows why your data is wrong..... using your example, you have 20 pilots total, 10 east retired as did 4 West, the nest 20 on the Nic are all east, so you now have 14 east 6 West. This goes on until the top 517 are gone sometime in 2018 according to the lists DOB info, and you find that your blue vs red graphic is full of BS, as is your 10 year prediction.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

How does the bpr have any control over anything when their peckers are in the president's pocket?

 

[cleardirect]

Dog,

This post shows why you will never have a joint CBA on this property with the Nicalou attached.

The westies bring out some old news about Mike and Dave and their different views. The EVP position was going away anyway. Dave is a great guy with great ideas. Both Dave and Mike are heading to the same destination. Just on different highways! The BPR has been dealing with this personality issue for some time. The BPR holds all the power. Not Mike, Randy or Dave.

The differences go back to the election and every east pilot that was paying attention knew of those differences.

The EVP position was created primarily to set up the union headquarters in CLT and Dave did an excellent job. His service to this pilot group has been tremendous. As always when someone steps down another steps up!

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Really! When was that announced? So usapa was going to change the C&BL to eliminate a political problem for Cleary. So all of the pilots that sipporter and voted for Dc should just shut up and accept losing their guy?

Nice way to run a banana republic. Eliminate the opposition.

That is the illusion that Cleary would like to project. Anyone paying attention knows that is not the case.

As quoted from the man himself with the view from the inside.

I must be blunt here: the mutation of USAPA from a democratic, line pilot oriented and controlled union into the current administration that is about enrichment and ease of life style for President Cleary and his supporters is nearly complete and in record time.

Had the Board been more assertive, as is your responsibility and Constitutional duty to enforce accountability, this might not have happened, but you were not and as a result, I have no desire to be associated with such an organization.

Or do you consider DC to also be make things up?

The west has been talking about censorship and the weak BPR. To bad the usapa blind supporters disregarded that. Now it is coming from one of your own. Will all of you also ignore the truth? The east can stick your heads in the sand and hope for the best or believe the stories Cleary and Mowery are telling. But that leaves a part of the anatomy exposed.

Will you still believe Cleary if the ninth rules against usapa? Will you still believe Cleary when the LOA snap back does not happen? Will you still believe Cleary when the RICO suit gets dismissed again? Will you still believe Cleary that usapa can win a counter suit because of the false RICO charges? If there is a merger will you still believe Cleary that he can get you DOH in the next merger? Do you still believe Cleary that usapa can protect you in an illegal job action after Jan 1?

 

[AWE Dog]

I believe your data is incorrect, however I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say.

Yes, Mr. Nicolau did a pretty good job, however, had he done the correct thing it would have been top 500 pilots in 10 years, 500 West 0 east.

Now, usapa on the other hand, the union founded to steal West jobs, has a constitution mandating DOH.

Under DOH, the top 945 today, all east, the top 1000, 973 east 27 West, the top 2500, 2305 east 195 west, top 3000, 2715 east 285 West, top 4000, 3375 east 625 West,including furloughed east entering in well above AWA captains, top 5000, 3660 east including over 600 furloughed at the merger leepfrogging AWA captains and stealing jobs from F/Os vs 1340 West, in 5 years, top 500 all east, in ten years, top 500 all east.

That is straight from their proposed seniority list illegaly passed to the company.

#1 Do really mean today? In your today numbers, that's what the C&R's are for. Now please post the DOH numbers for 2020. How about 2025?

 

[HPDriver]

#1 Do really mean today? In your today numbers, that's what the C&R's are for. Now please post the DOH numbers for 2020. How about 2025?

Please post your 100% guarantee that US Airways will be around in 2020. How about 2025?

I don't really care about the future that far out. It means nothing to anyone. The seniority list that far out is nothing but a dream.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Answere, shows why your data is wrong..... using your example, you have 20 pilots total, 10 east retired as did 4 West, the nest 20 on the Nic are all east, so you now have 14 east 6 West. This goes on until the top 517 are gone sometime in 2018 according to the lists DOB info, and you find that your blue vs red graphic is full of BS, as is your 10 year prediction.

It's the new math nic! Selective numerals theory. Apparently it is quite popular out east! Thanks for clearing it up, you saved me some work! I owe ya...

 

[cleardirect]

This is what the arbitrators had to say about the DAL/NWA merger. In 10 years what has the community of pilots shrunk to in our merger? What is the point though? The list is done the arguments were made three years ago and decision has been made the litigation is almost complete? Nicolau looked at all of those factors, did your MC make that argument during the arbitration? If not why not? Talk to your lawyer, if he did then Nicolau considered all of the factors and not just one. The list is the list time to accept it and move on.

11 Thus, as of July 1, 2008, a straight Date-of-Hire list allocates, among the top 1,500 positions, 246 to
Delta Pilots and the remaining 1,254 to Northwest. The bottom 500 Pilots include approximately 320
Delta Pilots and 150 Northwest Pilots. (NWX I-31 (A)). Five years later, there are 1,195 Northwest Pilots
to Delta’s 305 among the top 1,500 positions. (NWX I-31(B)). Even 10 years later, in 2018, while Delta
has gained the advantage among the first 1,500 positions (816 to 684), the first 750 jobs are populated,
2:1, by Northwest Pilots. The Delta pilots fare relatively well in 2023 – 15 years after the merger – but the
community of pilots affected by the methodology has, by then, shrunk to about 5,000.
(NWX I-33 (A).

 

[HPDriver]

It's the new math nic! Selective numerals theory. Apparently it is quite popular out east! Thanks for clearing it up, you saved me some work! I owe ya...

Situational logic (in this case) and ethics.

That's also very popular out east.

 

[Hawkhunter]

Situational logic (in this case) and ethics.

That's also very popular out east.

Do you guys ever get tired of posting the same old crap?

 

[nic4us]

#1 Do really mean today? In your today numbers, that's what the C&R's are for. Now please post the DOH numbers for 2020. How about 2025?

No, I actually do not mean today, I mean on the PID, the same date Nic used was used for usapa's DOH list, many of the top from both lists have already retired prior to the age 60 change, or retired permanently RIP. Also, the C&Rs are there because there is a no bump no flush agreement floating out there, and I guess usapa figured that the theft of a metered 35-50 West jobs a year would have to suffice.

 

[HPDriver]

Do you guys ever get tired of posting the same old crap?

Just trying to keep up with your same old crap.

Next.

 

[End of USAPA]

USAPA is coming to an end. This is happening a little quicker than I thought but it is happening. The force in charge has done a wonderful job keeping Nic exactly where it should be: a list filed away in a biased judge's file cabinet.

Now, where are we going from here? Simple. Nowhere. That is the deal you westies cannot get through your skulls. In 18 months we will probably have another union drive and guess what that means: we start the whole process all over again about getting a contract. These talk sites can be a good release for you all, but Christmas in the sun won't be as good to you as some of you think. Enjoy the empty stocking. DC is a genius- everything is working out as planned.

EOU

 

[luvn737s]

Oops. Forgot the part where the company institutes the Nic award via CBS message/Read file. Page two - Here are your new pay rates and work rules.

If it rids the world of USAPA, I'm willing to endure temporary pain versus the endless misery dreamt up in the back of a van.

 

[HPDriver]

USAPA is coming to an end. This is happening a little quicker than I thought but it is happening. The force in charge has done a wonderful job keeping Nic exactly where it should be: a list filed away in a biased judge's file cabinet.

Now, where are we going from here? Simple. Nowhere. That is the deal you westies cannot get through your skulls. In 18 months we will probably have another union drive and guess what that means: we start the whole process all over again about getting a contract. These talk sites can be a good release for you all, but Christmas in the sun won't be as good to you as some of you think. Enjoy the empty stocking. DC is a genius- everything is working out as planned.

EOU

Bit too much of the nog.

Ease off a bit.

 

[Hate2fly]

Did Dave C. present resolutions calling for the immediate abandonment of the RICO suits and call for limits on the amount of appeals against the DFR order?

If not, he may be a fine gentleman, but he is still no friend of the west. Actions speak louder than words and the most important actions now are the ones that unify the east and west. Even pilot advocacy puts the cart before the horse in this respect. A unified pilot group can do more for the pilots than a divided one and it will multiply the efforts of those that seek to advance the cause of the pilots of USAirways.

Yo luvn737s,

I would love to see the resolutions...........just talked to Dave C. and he did not even know what you were talking about! The one thing you got right, he is a fine gentleman.

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