US Pilots Labor Discussion 12/14- OBSERVE THE RULES OF THE BOARD!

[aquagreen73s]

Dave's a pretty smart guy, I doubt he is quitting, just taking a step back before next years you know what storm starts. After the current administration is thrown out he will be able to step up and say "Hey, I knew they were bad, that's why I resigned. Vote me in and I'll clean up their mess."

I'll be voting for him. We'll never agree on Section 22, but he is someone who is definitely a pilot advocate and I have the highest respect for Dave. There's a few others I've met on the East who equal Dave's caliber.

 

[HPDriver]

There are, obviously some problems with the leadership. It will be worked out.

When someone resigns, it means things couldn't be worked out. And for Ciabattoni to walk away from everything means its pretty serious.

If you take this as some kind of good thing for the West, you are mistaken.

Yes and no.

Yes in the way that the last roadblock to Cleary's insanity is gone and he's now free to run amok.

No because Dave is a smart guy. His only shortcoming is that he's an east pilot.

It is not good for any of us.

It won't keep anyone out west from losing sleep. But you guys should start looking behind that curtain to see what is actually going on over in CLT.

 

[luvthe9]

Whether Dave stays or goes will have no affect on the 9th circut ruling of LOA 83 ruling, those are the important things, and yes he is a great guy andd very sharp. Thanks for all your hard work Dave.

 

[HPDriver]

Whether Dave stays or goes will have no affect on the 9th circut ruling of LOA 83 ruling, those are the important things, and yes he is a great guy andd very sharp. Thanks for all your hard work Dave.

Just out of curiosity, what is your plan B if the 9th doesn't go your way and you don't get snapbacks?

 

[AWE Dog]

Just out of curiosity, what is your plan B if the 9th doesn't go your way and you don't get snapbacks?

The same plan as the 9th going our way and we do get snapbacks. Vote NO

 

[HPDriver]

The same plan as the 9th going our way and we do get snapbacks. Vote NO

Interesting how you're willing to live under LOA indefinitely.

But I think there are more of you out there that need to pay off those credit card bills and pay your mortgages.

Also find it quite interesting how the east posting have died down since the Ciabattoni resignation came out.

 

[HPDriver]

I've been letting this bombshell resignation settle in for a few hours now and a question keeps coming up: Why did Ciabattoni decide to pull the trigger now and get out. The concern he's had regarding Cleary's conduct in office has been going on for a while and its been pretty well known that the BPR was feeling a bit left out when it came to some decision-making. We all agree that Dave is a pretty smart guy, good union man, and a strong pilot advocate. He's not crazy-radical like Cleary is and is politically savvy. And there is usually so reasoning to his actions.

So why now? Did something spook him? Or is he just fed up with everything.

What I know of him, he's not a quitter so I think this is only a temporary move. And I don't think he's spooked per se, but I do think he see's some bad things coming down the road out east very soon.

I think Dave is distancing himself from USAPA and the illegal work-action they've been hinting at for the past few months. The countdown clock on their website was absolutely the dumbest thing they could have put up. And in a close second was CLT's most recent update. Add to that all the chatter going on over ramp freq in PHL as well as those brilliant "Cash or Chaos" stickers and you've built a fine case for the company against USAPA.

You'll have a few geniuses try to pull off a wildcat action which will trigger an immediate company response (both against the individual pilots as well as the union) and you'll have the courts involved the very next day.

I think Dave wants to step back, watch the meltdown from a distance, and then move back in once Cleary is out of the picture. By then the timer will have run out, no snapback reality will have set in, the wildcatters will have been taken care of, and the failed appeal nothing more than another failure chalked up to Seham.

Dave would then be free to execute his idyllic union order.

His resignation is a calculated move and I bet you see another officer putting his in as well in the near future.

 

[LSS]

Don't be embarrassed for Dave. Be embarrassed for yourself for making a stupid remark about a person that has VOLUNTEERED countless hours of his time, blood sweat and tears, for the pilots of USAirways as an ALPA and USAPA rep.

Shame on you.

N9... I've never agreed with your posts in the past, but this is one post that I agree with 100%! Dave has always been s a principled good guy and pilot advocate... even though he has been bashed on this board countless times!

 

[Black Swan]

I've been letting this bombshell resignation settle in for a few hours now and a question keeps coming up: Why did Ciabattoni decide to pull the trigger now and get out. The concern he's had regarding Cleary's conduct in office has been going on for a while and its been pretty well known that the BPR was feeling a bit left out when it came to some decision-making. We all agree that Dave is a pretty smart guy, good union man, and a strong pilot advocate. He's not crazy-radical like Cleary is and is politically savvy. And there is usually so reasoning to his actions.

So why now? Did something spook him? Or is he just fed up with everything.

What I know of him, he's not a quitter so I think this is only a temporary move. And I don't think he's spooked per se, but I do think he see's some bad things coming down the road out east very soon.

I think Dave is distancing himself from USAPA and the illegal work-action they've been hinting at for the past few months. The countdown clock on their website was absolutely the dumbest thing they could have put up. And in a close second was CLT's most recent update. Add to that all the chatter going on over ramp freq in PHL as well as those brilliant "Cash or Chaos" stickers and you've built a fine case for the company against USAPA.

You'll have a few geniuses try to pull off a wildcat action which will trigger an immediate company response (both against the individual pilots as well as the union) and you'll have the courts involved the very next day.

I think Dave wants to step back, watch the meltdown from a distance, and then move back in once Cleary is out of the picture. By then the timer will have run out, no snapback reality will have set in, the wildcatters will have been taken care of, and the failed appeal nothing more than another failure chalked up to Seham.

Dave would then be free to execute his idyllic union order.

His resignation is a calculated move and I bet you see another officer putting his in as well in the near future.

 

[Black Swan]

This is not so earth shattering as you would like to believe. I guess when cabinet members in the Bush Admin. resigned, you took that to mean there was a presidential resignation about to come next, and that followed by the dissolution of the United States? Talk about a leap! What really bad things are coming for the East? The bottom line is this- the company is obviously not interested in a contract for either side. They don't need one yet. Nobody is going to get one is the way it appears. And if you think you are going to get the Nic.- it is going to take a joint contract to pull that one off. I would be more concerned about the fact this company has two separately operating pilot groups, with two different contracts going forward into what appears to be a recovering economy. Now we all know the Wall Street types are going to try to do some deals, including Parker. This is how they get their $$. What I do expect for the East is the last of the 190's to go to Republic. They would have moved them all if they had gotten the right money. There is no way they are going to keep the remaining jets. It would not surprise me to see Republic try and swallow part or all of this airline. They own no gates, tugs, pushback crews or reservations. Pretty soon a virtual airline is going to have to grab some infrastructure going forward toward the end of their feeder deal or they end up in a precarious position.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I'll be voting for him. We'll never agree on Section 22, but he is someone who is definitely a pilot advocate and I have the highest respect for Dave. There's a few others I've met on the East who equal Dave's caliber.

I second that!

I am gratified to know that there are west pilots who know DC for the extraordinary gentleman and pilot that he is. Although the arbitrations for min fleet and min hours did not fall completely in favor of the pilots, it was DC who pretty much single-handedly discovered the company's violations of those portions of the contract and started the grievance process for those items.

If DC had not been paying close attention, all of that might simply have gone unnoticed.

 

[cubfan]

I second that!

I am gratified to know that there are west pilots who know DC for the extraordinary gentleman and pilot that he is. Although the arbitrations for min fleet and min hours did not fall completely in favor of the pilots, it was DC who pretty much single-handedly discovered the company's violations of those portions of the contract and started the grievance process for those items.

If DC had not been paying close attention, all of that might simply have gone unnoticed.

How true......he should be the president

 

[exB717Flyer]

break

A couple of weeks ago I mentioned how the company intended to violate the West CBA by closing the LAS base without running a displacement bid. I sent emails to the higher-ups and I got a response from Al Hemenway. No need to post the entire letter -- he simply states we're misinterpreting the language and intent of LOA 5 and that it's use is appropriate in this case. I see no use in further communication with him; grievances have been filed.

I swear, since the merger America West is turning into American Airlines. So much evil.

 

[boeingplt]

Happy Holidays Folks, Taking a break from this good time

 

[luvn737s]

Did Dave C. present resolutions calling for the immediate abandonment of the RICO suits and call for limits on the amount of appeals against the DFR order?

If not, he may be a fine gentleman, but he is still no friend of the west. Actions speak louder than words and the most important actions now are the ones that unify the east and west. Even pilot advocacy puts the cart before the horse in this respect. A unified pilot group can do more for the pilots than a divided one and it will multiply the efforts of those that seek to advance the cause of the pilots of USAirways.