US Pilots Labor Discussion 1/13- OBSERVE THE RULES OF THE BOARD!

[CallawayGolf]

A traditional strike would cost the company $100 million a week and a CHAOS strike around $100 million a month. A legal strike is the nuclear weapon in a labor unions arsenal. It is the tool the law grants labor to secure a fair contract.

A company has the choice of either negotiating a fair contract or trying to survive the cost of a strike. Most managements are intelligent enough to negotiate a fair contract which is why strikes are rare compared to negotiated contract settlements. Trying to impose NIC at any point would guarantee an eventual pilot strike.

underpants

Kirby+NIC is a "fair" contract proposal so the law will not grant you the use of the tool you think you would have. The company and the courts will deal swiftly to repremand and terminate any pilot engaged in an unlawful strike or work slowdown. Don't fool yourself into thinking pilots cannot be replaced. There's a nearly endless cache of qualified individuals to take your spot.

 

[700UW]

History of the East Pilots is that you never struck, and always gave in, Wolf and the airbus threat, back in 92 first to take concessions, and in every round of concessions the pilots were the first to agree.

I dont see someone making six figures finding a job making the same money.

 

[Piedmont1984]

History of the East Pilots is that you never struck, and always gave in, Wolf and the airbus threat, back in 92 first to take concessions, and in every round of concessions the pilots were the first to agree.

I dont see someone making six figures finding a job making the same money.

No, but we ran them out of fuel back in '89. Just ask Gordon Bethune.

 

[HPDriver]

No, but we ran them out of fuel back in '89. Just ask Gordon Bethune.

Difference now is that APU usage, fuel burns, and SE taxi compliance are tracked to the individual Captain.

The next time you won't being going to fuel school.

 

[N924PS]

Do you really think you will ever get the opportunity to vote yourself a raise by giving away someone else's seniority?

underpants

I doubt that a Tenative Agreement is even achievable in this decade, absent a merger where Parker is willing to throw money at the pilots to get the deal done.

Your seniority was determined by a process that was agreed to under the previous union. You couldn't negotiate or mediate an acceptable list. You agreed to binding arbitrartion because you thought you would slam dunk the West pilots.

George Nicolau and 2 pilot neutrals crafted a list that complied with ALPA's then current merger policy. If I vote in favor of a new contract, it will be becuase it offers much better than LOA 93. Section 22 is already complete, and has been for almost 3 years.

The Nicolau Award IS the seniority list of the future at USAirways. How many years and millions will it take for you to accept that fact?

 

[Phoenix]

Now pilots making six figures are gonna be incarcerated (do LOA 93 pilots need to worry?)... I suppose the next FUD talking points will be that incarceration will be really bad because gramps won't get any care packages from granny while he is incarcerated.

No fresh baked chocolate chip cookies for you, gramps. Quick, capitulate now, you might save a few of the crumbs.

 

[luvthe9]

Can anyone shed light on the possibility that LCC may be offering early outs, on the order of about 200 pilots?

The driver being the costs borne by the company arising from the pairing of over/under age 60 flight crews on our international routes.

The number that has been going around is 80,000, what a joke!!!!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Most managements are intelligent enough ...

This is a USAirways thread. I should report this post.

 

[hp_fa]

I doubt that a Tenative Agreement is even achievable in this decade...

I think that is too pessimistic. I'd say that absent Parker or management getting ants in their pants the over/under is five years. If and when the pilots begin to bargain seriously, probably after all the major parts of the litigations are resolved, the company can start their delaying dance and that is good for at least a few years and negotiating takes a few years and then there is the mediation delay.

Now if Parker or management believe that paying raises is offset by the benefits of intra-pilot peace and increased productivity, then this could go much faster. But until the intra-pilot squabbles end the company has no real motivation to negotiate in a meaningful way unless a merger is in the wind.

 

[luvn737s]

A strike would likely be a CHAOS strike. Alaska F/A's using a CHAOS type strike struck 7 flights intermittently and the company stated publicly the airline would fail because of lost revenue if the strike continued. They settled the strike within 1 hour of losing a court challenge to the legality of the strike by granting the F/A's demand for a 60% pay raise plus all other requested contract improvements.

I know it's always nice to have some glimmer of hope to hang onto, but a CHAOS will never happen. AFA had unity - USAPA doesn't even understand the term.

A different court could easily deem it an illegal work action.

There are no pilots who would be willing to fall off the cliff behind USAPA.

The only thing USAPA will provide you is rhetoric to make you think they are fighting for you. They just like fighting, much more than actuually winning, apparently.

Hitch your wagon to a different star, cowboy.

 

[luvthe9]

The Nicolau Award IS the seniority list of the future at USAirways. How many years and millions will it take for you to accept that fact?

As many years and as many millions Mr. " My money is on Parker"

 

[john john]

"Kirby", or the company's better revised offer, add Nicolau and then negotiate the remained and put it to a vote. I would just hope the NC actually tries for the best it can get (rather than tank it) so the pilot's would have a meaningful decision when they would vote.

You got that right sit now and negotiate and bargain under the NMB process like thay
are suppose to. Of course all articles are on the table like history has determined

 

[Piedmont1984]

The number that has been going around is 80,000, what a joke!!!!

Well, if there are any 190 captains with less than 1 year to retirement, or F/O's with 2 to go

 

[N924PS]

As many years and as many millions Mr. " My money is on Parker"

Read my lips lt9 "I am not now or ever have been JS."

My money was never on Parker. Or on USAPA.

 

[luvthe9]

Read my lips lt9 "I am not now or ever have been JS."

My money was never on Parker. Or on USAPA.

Well if your not him you are just as bad, but we all know different. Is your money on ALPO still?