US Pilot Labor Thread for the week 6/6 to 6/13

[EastUS]

Would you stake what passes for honor, (integrity lite) that there was no intimidation during the USAPA card collection?

Most certainly yes. I never saw the least bit of "intimidation", nor would I have responded favorably towards any such thing, much less ever considerd offering such to another. What would be the possible point in any case? These people out here aren't children. What would/could be any possible "intimidation" involved? I honestly can't see how it's so impossible for some to believe the overall level of positive enthusiasm for dismissing Alpa.

"Do you really think that when you are in the midst of an angry sea of yellow (nice imagery for the east) that you would feel free to stand firm in your dissention?" YES!..Are you flat-out joking? Imho: Anyone who'd actually be "intimidated" by any supposed "angry sea of yellow" would be beneath contempt as a person. Again: These aren't children, nor is this grade school.

"Heck even Bradford has been too scared to come to PHX and face those he claims to want to represent." Speaking of children and grade school...umm..did you miss all the fun videos from the PHX roadshow? Quite honestly; I'd find it difficult to wish to personally give your group even the time of day after such antics. I'm speaking only for myself...but you might consider that the lack of wishing to waste time outside some overly-excited monkeys' cage, is hardly equilvalent to being "too scared" to visit the zoo. What possible purposes would be served by wasting yet more time doing such in any case? What are you honestly waiting for out there?..A personal kiss from every east pilot, followed by a warm and fuzzy group hug? Properly affording any/all of you essential professional courtesy's one thing...but don't get ridiculous

"Too think that everyone was firmly united behind USAPA out of their own convictions is too naieve to even consider." Speaking of "naieve" = Ah yes....It MUST have been pure coercion, intimidation and..whatever other notions you most cherish. Why...just the enormous and overwhelming enthusiasm for Nic throughout the east, all by itself, almost made it impossible to get anyone at all to vote Alpa out. It's simply impossible to believe, or even imagine anything otherwise...I see things clearly now.

 

[luvn737s]

All the voting took place under NMB supervision in the privacy of everyones home computer on the East side.

So there was no "go long to get along" . Sure. <_<

The west side had their leaders calling up pilots asking them for their info and put the vote in for them.

Proof?

Mr Bradford came to phx with his representitives and thanks to your postings of videos, put the nail in the alpa coffin on this property.

1 visit. Quite the little olive branch. He's not doing much to bolster his claim to want to represent ALL US pilots.

West pilots are being intimidated not to join the USAPA union or be a representative or they are threatened with violence by the west leaders who had their rear ends removed out of their alpa office and now have to fly the line.

Proof? Who threatened anyone? Or are you referring to someone's opinion that doing something unpopular would make them unpopular. That doesn't sound like a threat, it sounds like advice. Worth every penny paid for it.

I have to go somewhere now and do what your group has done, but I will not send it to anyone.

TMI

 

[BoeingBoy]

BoeingBoy: BS sir. When one resigns from a given entity/list/etc..one has quit that entity/that list.

As I said, so much for the "principle" when fragmentation occurs.....as per the contract:

In the event another air carrier (a "Transferee") purchases or acquires any aircraft of the Company or US Airways Group as part of any transaction that constitutes a triggering event, the Association shall determine, in its sole discretion,whether or not pilots from the US Airways Pilots' Seniority List (the "Transferring Pilots") shall transfer to the Transferee and which pilots shall transfer. The number of Transferring Pilots shall be determined by ........

The Company and US Airways Group shall require any Transferee to employ the Transferring Pilots, with the integration of the Transferrring Pilots into the Transferee's seniority list to be governed by the Association Merger Policy of both pre-transaction pilot groups are represented by the Association and otherwise by Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk LPPs.

Seems like East pilots want fragmentation protection for themselves but nobody else. After all, "Resignation is just what it is = I quit" for everybody else. Right EastUS?

Jim

 

[EastUS]

So there was no "go long to get along" . Sure. <_<

Or are you referring to someone's opinion that doing something unpopular would make them unpopular. That doesn't sound like a threat, it sounds like advice. Worth every penny paid for it.

"So there was no "go long to get along" . Sure." How would there be? the votes were both private and anonymous. One of us is again missing something here. We didn't have people calling pilots to supposedly "tally their votes" out east.

"Or are you referring to someone's opinion that doing something unpopular would make them unpopular. That doesn't sound like a threat, it sounds like advice. Worth every penny paid for it." If you say so. Anyone who takes actions they personally find to be entirely unprincipled...just so they can be "popular"...is, imho, a disgusting excuse for a human being....period.


"Mr Bradford came to phx with his representitives and thanks to your postings of videos, put the nail in the alpa coffin on this property."

'luvn737s': "1 visit. Quite the little olive branch." Just curious...upon what possible basis are you due any tail-kissing and/or additional "olive branches"? Instead of whining away, while waiting to be smooched and tenderly tucked in.....how about growing up a bit.

Additionally..the next time you smarm away with such tripe as "Would you stake what passes for honor, (integrity lite)..." perhaps you could see fit to follow it up with some thoughts that would first indentify yourself as at least a vertebrate. Your behavioral assumptions indicate that you feel it natural to be easilly "intimidated"..and that group behavior's naturally presumed to be a result of "coercion"..and that, somehow..it's even important to fret over "being popular"....speaking of "(integrity lite)..."

 

[EastUS]

Seems like East pilots want fragmentation protection for themselves but nobody else. After all, "Resignation is just what it is = I quit" for everybody else. Right EastUS?

I resigned from EAL...not PSA nor US....nice "reach" though As per contractual issues? Call us all back asap when one's established that is NOT a product of Alpa.....

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I don't know what BB is referring to. US Airways and it's predicessors have always taken ALL the pilots of EVERY airline they've merged with. There were issues in each which raised questions, and because ALPA had no real "merger policy" they had to be answered in other ways. The big issue on the Trump deal was just what DOH they were going to use, EAL or Trump, since U (at the time) had hired MANY ex Eastern pilots when Eastern went under, and the Trump guys were in essence forced to "resign" from Eastern to stay on the shuttle.

The issue was why should pilots that had basically sacrificed everything in the name of the Pilot Profession (the ones that went on strike and lost their jobs) be put at a disadvantage to those that didn't (the ones that essentially resigned and kept jobs at the shuttle).

This entire issue was the result of ALPA's non existent "merger policy". Being as I didn't come from there, and really had no "dog in that fight", I did not have an opinion one way or another. It went to an arbitrator, and apparently both sides came out equally unhappy, so it was a success.

I don't think that this or the Empire deal, which happened over 20 years ago, and not even at USAir, could possibly be rehashed. It's already been adjudicated in the ALPA method, as unfair as that may be.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I resigned from EAL...not PSA nor US....nice "reach" though

That's right - you resigned your job. You didn't go with the jobs that were sold. Maybe the distinction is lost on you.

Call us all back asap when one's established that is NOT a product of Alpa.....

Am I to assume that the USAPA negotiated contract won't have fragmentation protections in it?

It's already been adjudicated in the ALPA method, as unfair as that may be.

Sounds like the Nic award - already been adjudicated, unfair or not......

Jim

 

[traderjake]

Yeah, right. The principle is alive and well. Long ago settled. No thanks to ALPA.

Only in the mind of delusional East pilots.

The courts are not going to allow USAPA to write a DOH seniority list or contract.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Sounds like the Nic award - already been adjudicated, unfair or not......

Jim

Nice try, but it has never been instituted. There has NEVER been a joint contract which puts it into effect. The appeals were cancelled due to the fact that ALPA is no longer on the property.

The Nic will be LAWFULLY negotiated out of the combined contract. Even the West side lawyers agreed that seniority was an object open to negotiation.

But it's good to see that you agree with the unfairness part.

 

[EastUS]

Only in the mind of delusional East pilots.

The courts are not going to allow USAPA to write a DOH seniority list or contract.

Ah...the Supreme Court has ruled. Sigh..and after all this fuss over nothing I guess...

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Only in the mind of delusional East pilots.

The courts are not going to allow USAPA to write a DOH seniority list or contract.

What do the courts have to do with it? It's happening, like it or not. According to USAPA, it will be soon, too.

Better get on board!

 

[EastUS]

Am I to assume that .....

Assume away at your pleasure sir. No disrespect intended, but: You won't be voting in any case.

 

[traderjake]

What do the courts have to do with it? It's happening, like it or not. According to USAPA, it will be soon, too.

Better get on board!

The courts are where the West pilots are going to sue USAPA when USAPA tries to negotiate a DOH seniority list or contract.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Only in the mind of delusional East pilots.

The courts are not going to allow USAPA to write a DOH seniority list or contract.

I don't agree. But even if you are correct - anything "east" of the Nicolau award will suit me fine.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

The courts are where the West pilots are going to sue USAPA when USAPA tries to negotiate a DOH seniority list or contract.

Have at it! Buying more boats for lawyers won't make the Nic happen!