US Pilot Labor Thread for the week 6/6 to 6/13

[luvn737s]

Well, yes, they might be interested. Most of the really "high power seniority" Shuttle pilots are retired, and with those left combined with the Empire group that is still here probably amounts to about 150 or so. Assuming they would ALL jump on the west bandwagon of Nic, that gives you guys about 1900 votes.

I think you are missing the concept of coalition. The west/Empire/Trump pilots could represent significant voting power that other groups would like to tap into in the future. That may attract additional votes from those blocks who would expect the favor to be returned in the future.

It's called politics and it's integral to making any democratic system work. However, since the USAPA pilots have yet to vote on anything, especially reps, perhaps calling it democratic is a bit premature.

 

[EastUS]

I think you are missing the concept of coalition. The west/Empire/Trump pilots could represent significant voting power that other groups would like to tap into in the future. That may attract additional votes from those blocks who would expect the favor to be returned in the future.

It's called politics and it's integral to making any democratic system work. However, since the USAPA pilots have yet to vote on anything, especially reps, perhaps calling it democratic is a bit premature.

One way to test your latest fantasy would be to actually become someone who can vote....Just a thought

 

[luvn737s]

One way to test your latest fantasy would be to actually become someone who can vote....Just a thought

Vote? Who said Bradford would release his death grip on power and let some lowly line pilots vote? It's pretty inexpensive to set up an online election, but why bother if you can hand-pick your cronies and the rest of the pilots are too scared to speak up?

 

[EastUS]

Vote? Who said Bradford would release his death grip on power and let some lowly line pilots vote? It's pretty inexpensive to set up an online election, but why bother if you can hand-pick your cronies and the rest of the pilots are too scared to speak up?

Ummm..what planet are you really broadcasting from!? :blink: ..Seriously? "..and the rest of the pilots are too scared to speak up?" Sounds like a "personal problem" to me :blink: What's to even possibly be "scared" of?

On your other post...umm...how will you establish a "coalition" or even a voting block...when you refuse to even register to vote in the first place? One of us is at least somehwat..ummm.."unclear on the concept" herein.

 

[nostradamus]

Vote? Who said Bradford would release his death grip on power and let some lowly line pilots vote? It's pretty inexpensive to set up an online election, but why bother if you can hand-pick your cronies and the rest of the pilots are too scared to speak up?

I think you are describing alpa, that is the way they operated for years and will cause their eventual demise.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I see--the Angry FO From Cranberry Club only wants DOH in regards to HP. So much for the moral high ground.

It will take a grand total of one pilot to kill anything that USAPA comes up with. The second (someone from the East side who wants their "constitutionally mandated" DOH) would merely be icing on the cake.

Hey, I'm all for it. I just don't know how, feasably, to go back and undo something done by a predecessor union 10 to 20 years ago. Not realistic. But a pledge can be made that fairness is now the rule of the land, and this won't happen again.

As far as the Trump/Empire/West coalition, good luck. The Trump and Empire guys would have been as screwed by the Nic as anyone else. This is reaching, just like some guys were expecting UAL pilots to just give them super seniority rights because they were ALPA and the West voted for them. It's all a big "pipe dream".

By the way, Where is "Cranberry"?

 

[EyeInTheSky]

BY the way, I've never been to "Cranberry".

You should go north of the 'burgh sometime. It's nice.

Later,
Eye

 

[AAA73Pilot]

So much for the "principle" of DOH when it comes to fragmentation.....

Jim

Yeah, right. The principle is alive and well. Long ago settled. No thanks to ALPA.

 

[Art at ISP]

Thanks all for your answers to my question. I wish you ALL the best, and hope you can come up with a solution which works...I don't think any one group is going to be totally happy, but I don't think US can survive if things remain as they are.

My BEST to you all....

 

[nostradamus]

Thanks all for your answers to my question. I wish you ALL the best, and hope you can come up with a solution which works...I don't think any one group is going to be totally happy, but I don't think US can survive if things remain as they are.

My BEST to you all....

The pendulum of fairness in this issue has had a very wide arc, hopefully we can decrease its swing. It is getting to the point where one is working to adjust it for the future pilots and not the present, because most of the present pilots will not be part of the future because of the adjustments that need to be made regarding policy in this matter.

 

[foreright]

Let's just say in this case.....this case only. You have 24 years, you are dead last. Another company comes into the mix, and the two companies effectively cease to exist. The lists have to be combined. Where do you fit in? Do you still fit in relatively last on the combined list of the two, or do you now become the middle? If the guy behind you was furloughed for 12 years and comes back, does he come in on the middle too?

This is assuming you merged with an airline...not an extension of mesa.

 

[luvn737s]

Ummm..what planet are you really broadcasting from!? :blink: ..Seriously? "..and the rest of the pilots are too scared to speak up?" Sounds like a "personal problem" to me :blink: What's to even possibly be "scared" of?

On your other post...umm...how will you establish a "coalition" or even a voting block...when you refuse to even register to vote in the first place? One of us is at least somehwat..ummm.."unclear on the concept" herein.

Would you stake what passes for honor, (integrity lite) that there was no intimidation during the USAPA card collection? Do you really think that when you are in the midst of an angry sea of yellow (nice imagery for the east) that you would feel free to stand firm in your dissention? Heck even Bradford has been too scared to come to PHX and face those he claims to want to represent. Too think that everyone was firmly united behind USAPA out of their own convictions is too naieve to even consider.

 

[nostradamus]

Would you stake what passes for honor, (integrity lite) that there was no intimidation during the USAPA card collection? Do you really think that when you are in the midst of an angry sea of yellow (nice imagery for the east) that you would feel free to stand firm in your dissention? Heck even Bradford has been too scared to come to PHX and face those he claims to want to represent. Too think that everyone was firmly united behind USAPA out of their own convictions is too naieve to even consider.

All the voting took place under NMB supervision in the privacy of everyones home computer on the East side.

The west side had their leaders calling up pilots asking them for their info and put the vote in for them.

Mr Bradford came to phx with his representitives and thanks to your postings of videos, put the nail in the alpa coffin on this property.

West pilots are being intimidated not to join the USAPA union or be a representative or they are threatened with violence by the west leaders who had their rear ends removed out of their alpa office and now have to fly the line.

You are the won that is naive.

I have to go somewhere now and do what your group has done, but I will not send it to anyone.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Would you stake what passes for honor, (integrity lite) that there was no intimidation during the USAPA card collection? Do you really think that when you are in the midst of an angry sea of yellow (nice imagery for the east) that you would feel free to stand firm in your dissention? Heck even Bradford has been too scared to come to PHX and face those he claims to want to represent. Too think that everyone was firmly united behind USAPA out of their own convictions is too naieve to even consider.

I actually think that MORE folks were behind USAPA than the vote indicates. The FUD campaign by ALPA and the many empty promises they made probably convinced a few gullible folks on the East to vote in their favor, especially many of the returning furloughees that knew little of the decertification campaign. I KNOW that there was absolutely no intimidation on the East side.

It appears that the West were the intimidators, but they failed anyway. If they hadn't, it sounds as if there may have been grounds for MORE charges against them, if what the other poster is saying about violating the privacy rules for the vote is true.

And they have the unmittigated gall to question anyone's INTEGRITY.

 

[checksix]

AWAPPA UPDATE: Despite their "emotions of the moment," all improper behavior by former HP pilots toward pilots from the former US should stop, America West Airlines Pilots Protective Alliance leaders said in a letter to members, adding that there are "no 'winks and nods' in our statements. . .Conduct such as this, or allegations that West pilots have engaged in this conduct, are of absolutely no help whatsoever."

Dear NiceLandingCaptain, Prechilil and Cactusflyer - one of you recently made a statement regarding the AWAPPA/Leonidas pilots' "fire in their eyes" battle call..........I guess this should be considered as "water in the eye."

Yesterday AWAPPA was desperately asking their members for cash to help with their legal fees, under the guise of "litigation underway BS." Today they are asking their members to cancel the "poop in the mail" attack strategy, etc. Your actions have been nothing less than pathetic and a complete embarrassment to our pilot group and the profession.

You've been offered a lot of good advice on this board but it has seemed to fall on deaf ears up to this point. I'd have to say, based on past actions; a rational decision is probably not forthcoming from you and the AWAPPA/Leonidas group. We can only hope that the rest of the western based US Airways pilots will begin to see the best option for the protection and advancement of their careers is with USAPA.