US ALPA/USAPA/West Thread for week of 3/22-29

[b737fo]

Actually I think he (End of ALPA) is taking a page from the west this time. Seems to me that some west posters here or on the ALPA boards said the same thing about crossing a USAPA picket line. The justification being USAPA doesn't count as a union or something to that affect. I/we don't think ALPA is a union either.

And you're right about one thing, the industry is in real big trouble. It's only going to get worse until someone replaces Prater and calls for a SOS. Maybe that will get Wall Streets attention. Can it be done? Yes! Will it? IMO. No!

Really? I would be interested to see who those posters were so I could call them out too. Just because someone else says they would commit such a selfish act should we lower our own standards in order to "level the playing field"? I think not! I would say the same to a Westie. Equal opportunity scab hater here.

No matter who is lawfully chosen to be my bargaining agent, I would NEVER cross their picket line.

On your last point I agree. I think if ALPA wins on April 17th you would have unity East and West on the dump Prater thing.

 

[EastUS]

And you're right about one thing, the industry is in real big trouble. It's only going to get worse until someone replaces Prater and calls for a SOS. Maybe that will get Wall Streets attention. Can it be done? Yes! Will it? IMO. No!

Zero chance of that EVER happening I'm afraid. Lemme see here..Babbitt-the-rabbit/Duane-woerthless/Porker-prater...oh yeah..I'm fully confident that serious "leadership" will ever rise in Herndon Hmmm..Who is it that "elects" these swine?....Oh..Yeah!...pretty much each other. No forseeable future includes anything other than self-serivng, bloated mushrooms up at Herndon....Period. No SOS over destroyed wages and lifestyles...None over mass pension thefts and totally trashed futures..what's left anymore? I laugh out loud at any thought of those "people" addressing national seniority, or ANYTHING of real-world use of any kind. Were'nt they/Alpa against the age 65 thing?..Don't we now have that?/etc
Meanwhile...the "gentlemen" (Treat us like professionals..we're not f---kin' stupid") out west think it's all about Nic/them/etc...Sheesh!

"May you live in interesting times"

 

[EastUS]

No matter who is lawfully chosen to be my bargaining agent, I would NEVER cross their picket line.

Astounding! I fully agree with you on that.

 

[sharktooth]

"PS: What does "Very likely" mean?..."

Unlike usapa and it's attorney we cannot 100% guarantee an outcome, "very likely" according to our attorneys is a 98% chance.

You don't know attorneys very well. "very likely" is about 40% if you have not paid, 5% if he can reasonably expect the fee.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Equal opportunity scab hater here.

No matter who is lawfully chosen to be my bargaining agent, I would NEVER cross their picket line.

On your last point I agree. I think if ALPA wins on April 17th you would have unity East and West on the dump Prater thing.

Ditto.

This is getting dangerous. You and I have agreed on at least three things so far in a couple days.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Another Interesting read copied from the ALPA board. FYI:

Here is the latest, even the IBT is looking like they're in for it too....

NetJets Pilots Seek Independent Union
The “Strong Union†leaders that helped form IBT Local 1108 to organize fractional pilots in 2004 resigned from the local last week in the wake of “a resurgent decertification movement†being led by a group called NetJets Association of Shared Aircraft Pilots. A decertification effort was defeated in 2004 when the NetJets pilots were allowed to switch from Local 284 to form their own local (1108), but NetJets pilot and outgoing IBT 1108 president Bill Olsen said the new effort is being driven by “complaints that are structural in nature.†Topping this list is the fact that 25 percent of union dues–a sum estimated at nearly $1.5 million this year and expected to exceed $2.5 million per year by 2013–goes to the IBT. “The pilot group’s perception is that representation by an independent union…is a better use of dues monies than continuing the current representation structure,†Olsen said in his resignation letter to IBT president James Hoffa. Meanwhile, Flight Options master executive council chairman Mat Slinghoff has been appointed 1108’s executive board trustee to ensure that the local can continue to represent Flight Options pilots.

 

[nostradamus]

what a bunch of clowns you guys are, the laughing stock of the industry.

Actually the pilots of alpa president john praters airline, Continental, are laughing at you. A quote from their web site below.

"Pilots volunteer for a whipsawing after merger!"

Continental Airlines pilots non alpa web site.

 

[Leonidas]

Actually the pilots of alpa president john praters airline, Continental, are laughing at you. A quote from their web site below.

"Pilots volunteer for a whipsawing after merger!"

Continental Airlines pilots non alpa web site.

Wow, you are a bigger idiot than I thought, so in your delusion, it is the west that has refused to negtiate with the company? go take another hit off that crack pipe.

 

[Leonidas]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B3-G7awYch0&feature=user

Priceless!

 

[700UW]

Take your chance with Seeham? LOL.

This is law firm that has represented El Al and Alitlia against the IAM whose company locked the IAM out.

This is a law firm that lost a major arguement of the RLA and set precedence that a a company does not have to abide by the Status Quo in negotiations with a newly organized group without a CBA.

Doesnt get more anti-labor than that.

Ask yourself why he is latching on to USAPA?

I will tell cause his two golden calfs are dead, AMFA and the PFAA at NW, so McCormick and him had to find new revenue sources to line their wallets.

And boy AMFA did a bang up job at NW, didnt they?

NOT!

 

[end_of_alpa]

Voted in? where does it say the list has to be voted in? and case law doesn't favor freund? Let's see east and west pilots agree to arbitration, the company accepts the list, and freund has no case law in his favor?

This arbitration is a private matter between two groups in a labor union. Again, for the umpteenth time, THIS arbitration is NOT the same arbitration you have in the course of a NORMAL product under a contract. The CONTRACT here is a CONTRACT called ALPA constitution , bylaws and policy.

The Transistion agreement is simply a way to OPEN Section 6 for the East to achive a COMBINED contract....which WE DON'T HAVE YET!!! It has to be negotiated THEN it has to be RATIFIED by a VOTE!

Look, we're having an election and you will find out. Maybe the judge can explain it to you better than I can.

Freund is NO THREAT TO USAPA!

 

[end_of_alpa]

Really? I would be interested to see who those posters were so I could call them out too. Just because someone else says they would commit such a selfish act should we lower our own standards in order to "level the playing field"? I think not! I would say the same to a Westie. Equal opportunity scab hater here.

No matter who is lawfully chosen to be my bargaining agent, I would NEVER cross their picket line.

On your last point I agree. I think if ALPA wins on April 17th you would have unity East and West on the dump Prater thing.

Except for USAPA!

Nostradamus AND AAA73pilot got it right.

There are 1,800 potential scabs over on the West because THEY are not getting there way....Leonidas has EVERY intention of destroying USAPA. 700UW and their IAM brothers and sisters seek the same.

We didn't agree to binding arbitration....the MEC's did, and ALPA National PILOTS...from OTHER CARRIERS, designed a process that has NO LIMITS and you blame us.

I would rather take MY chances with the East pilots then I would EVER take any chances with ALPA again. ALPA is a FAILED labor union and it is final coming to the front and out in the open.

My argument with you West guys is OVER! BRING ON YOUR LAWSUIT!

Freund DOESN'T SCARE ME....AND HE DOESN'T SCARE THE EAST PILOTS!

GOOD LUCK SUIING USAPA.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Take your chance with Seeham? LOL.

This is law firm that has represented El Al and Alitlia against the IAM whose company locked the IAM out.

This is a law firm that lost a major arguement of the RLA and set precedence that a a company does not have to abide by the Status Quo in negotiations with a newly organized group without a CBA.

Doesnt get more anti-labor than that.

Ask yourself why he is latching on to USAPA?

I will tell cause his two golden calfs are dead, AMFA and the PFAA at NW, so McCormick and him had to find new revenue sources to line their wallets.

And boy AMFA did a bang up job at NW, didnt they?

NOT!

Ahhh, the LORD of the peanut gallery strikes again!

He didn't "latch" on to USAPA. He was chosen BY USAPA. After several were interview, he was the best and logical choice.

It's funny, but the names ALPA and IAM/TEAMSTERS/AFL-CIO have these supposed CLEAN image names but when the pilots want to form their own union you call us SCABS!

 

[end_of_alpa]

Really? I would be interested to see who those posters were so I could call them out too. Just because someone else says they would commit such a selfish act should we lower our own standards in order to "level the playing field"? I think not! I would say the same to a Westie. Equal opportunity scab hater here.

No matter who is lawfully chosen to be my bargaining agent, I would NEVER cross their picket line.

On your last point I agree. I think if ALPA wins on April 17th you would have unity East and West on the dump Prater thing.

Then you would be one out of 1,800. After the tape from YOUR guys last week you want EVERYTHING!

Go to the ALPA forum....there are many there, of which I have the names, including Leonidas and AWA320 here, who will stop at NOTHING to destroy USAPA and a LEGITIMATE labor union if certified under the NMB when they profess to NEVER participate.

That works for me because I hope that when YOU guys don't pay, you'll get fired and the new hires can take your jobs.

Look, I don't want revenge, but you guys HATE EAST PILOTS, you hate our longevity, you hate what WE worked hard to maintain, you hate our positions and now you hate the MAJORITY becasue we won't take up YOUR CAUSE.

EVERY AIRLINE PILOT IN ALPA HATES US AIRWAYS PILOTS. I for one am SICK of this unified message that ALPA espouses.

Ask Braniff, Eastern, Old Continental, Pan Am, TWA, AMERICAN and many others.

I WILL NEVER BE AN ALPA PILOT....EVER!

Delta, NWA, United and now Continental pilots are SO MUCH BETTER than us that we should bow down and LICK THEIR BOOTS???

I'd rather eat s--t.

Sad, but labor unionism always has a way of feeding off each other. That is why pattern bargaining never works.

 

[700UW]

Where did I call anyone a scab?

You elected your officers to represent you, they went to arbitration, so you did vote for them.

And inform yourself of Seeham's anti-labor history and his dealings with Amfa, PFAA and Kevin McCormmick.