Question for anyone...if F/As and pilots are given the option of MidAtlantic or furlough...what percentage would go to MidAtlantic? If they were to furlough 700 F/As, would more than half go or would they choose to move on? I'm just curious to know what you all might think.
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JAMAKE1
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As a former USAir employee (I was pre-Airways) I have enjoyed perusing these message boards over the past several months. I just want to say that I think the employees of U have taken more than their fair share of hits over the past few years. As an outside observer, it appears that USAirways management, under the RSA regime, has done nothing to address some of the core issues that the labor groups have had with respect to contract violations, outsourcing, the 5% pay reduction that lingered, etc. There is a collective sense of betrayal and anger....and legitimately so...among the labor groups at US. Management has failed by not attempting to resolve those underlying issues. It appears to me that management has lacked any sort of emotional intelligence, which is necessary in trying to get labor on your side. As is evident, it does not work to demand further concessions from labor when their concerns have gone unheard. Furthermore, I think its a little oversimplistic to cast blame on the LEC pilots who blocked the proposal from going out for a membership vote. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it the job of the LEC/MEC to negotiate a T/A that they can recommend to the membership? In my opinion, it takes a lot integrity in the face of criticism among your peers, to vote according to one's convictions while maintaining one's professional duty to one's constituents. There may be worse consequences as a result (my gut tells me bankruptcy was predetermined) but there is something honorable in taking a stand against the further erosion of the profession. Sadly, this may play out like Eastern Airlines all over again. My best wishes are with the employees and retirees of USAirways.
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RedOne said:
From http://www.transformingusairways.com/html/...iers/index.html:
"Today, to complete the implementation of our Transformation Plan, US Airways Group and its domestic subsidiaries, including US Airways, PSA Airlines, Piedmont Airlines, and Material Service Company, filed voluntary petitions for reorganization under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code."
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It would be legally very difficult for a wholly owned subsidiary that is closely intermingled in US' operation not be be in Chapter 11 with USAirways.
Watching the court filing tomorrow to see the terms of the ATSB loan will be key.
A couple things are bound to happen in the near future:
The frequent flyer burn rate will increase - they always do in the early stages of bankruptcy. I would bet UA will get a number of frequent flyer bookings which will increase the risk to UA should US ultimately fail.
While the bookaway factor is not near as great as it once was, long booking markets like the Caribbean will suffer. No one wants to book a vacation months in advance if there is a risk that the carrier might not be there and the backup options are limited.
Because US has far less working capital than they would if they had debtor in possession financing, they will have to move very quickly to exit BK or the company will be liquidated. Given the resistance that many here say they will provide, liquidation is a very real possibility.
Since the transformation plan is based on operating a much smaller mainline US, costs will be stripped out very quickly.
The instability cannot help but be felt by customers.
Competition will move in even more aggressively. US is very fragile and a number of carriers will want to stake out "their territory" should US ultimately fail. Given the huge number of aircraft on order at the LCCs, the LCCs must move quickly.
My best to each of you at USAirways. Take the time to spend encouraging each other as you rebuild your lives. But also be sure and spend increasing amounts of time doing things away from US - where you're life will ultimately be rebuilt. This could be a great time to invest in your children's schools, your marriages, your churches - all the places that will yield dividends and where there is a different atmosphere than what you face at work.
May God bless and keep each of you.
Watching the court filing tomorrow to see the terms of the ATSB loan will be key.
A couple things are bound to happen in the near future:
The frequent flyer burn rate will increase - they always do in the early stages of bankruptcy. I would bet UA will get a number of frequent flyer bookings which will increase the risk to UA should US ultimately fail.
While the bookaway factor is not near as great as it once was, long booking markets like the Caribbean will suffer. No one wants to book a vacation months in advance if there is a risk that the carrier might not be there and the backup options are limited.
Because US has far less working capital than they would if they had debtor in possession financing, they will have to move very quickly to exit BK or the company will be liquidated. Given the resistance that many here say they will provide, liquidation is a very real possibility.
Since the transformation plan is based on operating a much smaller mainline US, costs will be stripped out very quickly.
The instability cannot help but be felt by customers.
Competition will move in even more aggressively. US is very fragile and a number of carriers will want to stake out "their territory" should US ultimately fail. Given the huge number of aircraft on order at the LCCs, the LCCs must move quickly.
My best to each of you at USAirways. Take the time to spend encouraging each other as you rebuild your lives. But also be sure and spend increasing amounts of time doing things away from US - where you're life will ultimately be rebuilt. This could be a great time to invest in your children's schools, your marriages, your churches - all the places that will yield dividends and where there is a different atmosphere than what you face at work.
May God bless and keep each of you.
Excellent words of advice WorldTraveler.
I am planning on spending more time with family and friends until I start a new job. The prospect of leaving USAirways is scary but also exciting at the same time. Change, although difficult can be very rewarding.
Good Luck to all.
I am planning on spending more time with family and friends until I start a new job. The prospect of leaving USAirways is scary but also exciting at the same time. Change, although difficult can be very rewarding.
Good Luck to all.
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Then again, you have to remember that it would be a HUGE paycut for those guys and gals. I would not imagine that most would be willing to do that since by now those affected are on the A scale. That would be, what, a ten dollar an hour pay cut (if not more)?PITbull said:
My guess would be not many at all would want to go to MAA.
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jimntx said:
True, but this was not a Chapter 7 filing. HAL and MDWY both had BK trustees - MDWY's was converted to a Chap. 7 filing later on.
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Not many mainline employees having had their fill and then some but the newbies, they will flood the doors with pencils in hand and smiles on their faces, why, because they just don't know any better and in that respect are blessed.Air conditioned said:Then again, you have to remember that it would be a HUGE paycut for those guys and gals. I would not imagine that most would be willing to do that since by now those affected are on the A scale. That would be, what, a ten dollar an hour pay cut (if not more)?
My guess would be not many at all would want to go to MAA.
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Air conditioned said:Then again, you have to remember that it would be a HUGE paycut for those guys and gals. I would not imagine that most would be willing to do that since by now those affected are on the A scale. That would be, what, a ten dollar an hour pay cut (if not more)?
My guess would be not many at all would want to go to MAA.
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You might be surprised by how many elect MAA. Take a 15% pay cut on mainline, and then compare that to the wages at MAA. There are a lot of folks that simply require health coverage, others that simply want to have a job in PIT. Tough times, tough choices.
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I was a US Airways International Flight Attendant. Before that I was a US Air gate agent. Before that I was a US Air Consumer Affairs Executive Staff representative. I Loved working for my company.
I recently left US Airways and I am happy to report that life does go on and there are great opportunities out here for all of you.
We gave and gave and gave for our company. I held my head high when I knew I was offering an inferior product, charging for meals on domestic when I was commuting, charging for headsets and liquor across the Atlantic, passing out socks, toothpaste and ear plugs from a basket in Business Class on Transatlantic - we knew the writing was on the wall.
I have many dear friends still working at US Airways. Gate agents and flight attendants on both sides of the Atlantic, fellow commuters from here in Fort Lauderdale. As I try each day to move forward and enjoy my new career, you are all in my thoughts and I want nothing less than the best for all of you because you all deserve it. You all made US Airways the great airline it was and I wish you all well.
You are always welcome in my home here in Fort Lauderdale if you ever need a vacation.
Best wishes,
Hugh Graham McKerlie
proud former US Airways International Flight Attendant
I recently left US Airways and I am happy to report that life does go on and there are great opportunities out here for all of you.
We gave and gave and gave for our company. I held my head high when I knew I was offering an inferior product, charging for meals on domestic when I was commuting, charging for headsets and liquor across the Atlantic, passing out socks, toothpaste and ear plugs from a basket in Business Class on Transatlantic - we knew the writing was on the wall.
I have many dear friends still working at US Airways. Gate agents and flight attendants on both sides of the Atlantic, fellow commuters from here in Fort Lauderdale. As I try each day to move forward and enjoy my new career, you are all in my thoughts and I want nothing less than the best for all of you because you all deserve it. You all made US Airways the great airline it was and I wish you all well.
You are always welcome in my home here in Fort Lauderdale if you ever need a vacation.
Best wishes,
Hugh Graham McKerlie
proud former US Airways International Flight Attendant
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