US Airways Pilots Labor Thread 4/15-4/22

[electricjet98]

1) I've never actually had the required arrogance to ever speak for, nor presume upon the opinions of "every other human on the planet"...I bow in proper awe and utter deference there.
2) See 1) above.

Let's try this = Explain the case of your famous then 6 year old, becoming "senior" to those that hired on at that same time. Try selling that rancid BS to any "salient human"

I see one AWA guy that was 11 when AAA was hiring a bunch in "86...are you saying that some that bumped you back were as young as 6?

 

[nostradamus]

Since a poster has mentioned Us Airways pilots experiences around New York, I thought we would all be appreciative of an update from one of our fellow pilots.


Jeff Skiles returns to flying

 

[nic4us]

So many of the West posters are convinced they will prevail in Judge Wake's courtroom.

I'm still not clear on what the West expects to happen if they do prevail. Can the court in fact force the Nicolau Award? Does it then become the current Section 22 in the existing contract?

Just wondering what each side expects, should the decision go their way.

Papa Sierra,

I am a West poster and I am not certain at all that we will prevail. I have noticed a surge in West posters expectations and attribute it to the transcipts of discussions between the court, Plaintiff and defendant.

I do not think the West knows what to expect if we prevail. As I understand it, the trial will just determine if there is a breach of the unions duty. If so, separate rulings will come from the bench as how to remedy.

The one thing I would expect in a ruling for the West is that if the union is in violation of its DFR by diregarding the NIC, They have no choice but to adopt it as their bargaining position. We tried to explain this to the USAPA founders when this whole ball started rolling.

 

[cleardirect]

Since a poster has mentioned Us Airways pilots experiences around New York, I thought we would all be appreciative of an update from one of our fellow pilots.


Jeff Skiles returns to flying

Good for him. Welcome back.

Is he going to call in sick for his court date? Hope that he can get a doctors note.

Perhaps usapa will give him union business flight pay loss. A paid witness. Wonder if the jury might discount his story knowing that he was paid by the union.

 

[Metroyet]

Since a poster has mentioned Us Airways pilots experiences around New York, I thought we would all be appreciative of an update from one of our fellow pilots.


Jeff Skiles returns to flying

Sully and Skiles are Meaningless line pilots....Sorry Ultra Egos, they ain't gonna save you.

 

[nostradamus]

Jeff went through a difficult experience, I wish him well. I have never met him. Some look at him like he has it made.

Those who have faced the strong possibility of their demise are the only ones who could possibly understand what he went through and the nightly re runs the mind provides.

 

[EastUS]

Sully and Skiles are Meaningless line pilots....

....The west at it's best...?

 

[EastUS]

I gotta admit, you're right - you don't claim to "speak for" every other human on the planet. You just tell them what's right and what's "absurd" - no disagreement allowed. That takes real arrogance...

Jim

From what desperate recess of the mind did you bring forth that utter nonsense? Disagreement's often to be fully expected. The beauty of relatively free speech is that it can be indulged in as such. If it entirely eluded you in my posting there = I never assume myself remotely capable of advancing the opinion of "the entire world", and simply find it absurdly pretentious for others to ever take on such a fantastic task.

 

[EastUS]

Good for him. Welcome back.

Is he going to call in sick for his court date? Hope that he can get a doctors note.

Perhaps usapa will give him union business flight pay loss. A paid witness. Wonder if the jury might discount his story knowing that he was paid by the union.

OK..Now that's truly desperate.

More fresh popcorn for all.

 

[Metroyet]

....The west at it's best...?

In the Context of the upcoming DFR trial...prove me wrong.

Wanna bet?

 

[Metroyet]

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[EastUS]

In the context of the upcoming DFR trial...Prove me wrong.

Wanna Bet?

With that apparent degree of certainty; I must assume you're offering odds? Regardless = PM with the details of any seriously proposed wager...versus empty key strokes.

 

[traderjake]

The vast majority of people on the planet earth would tend to disagree with you. Even west pilots.

The arbitrator says you're wrong.

The two pilot neutrals say your wrong.

The Delta Northwest arbitration panel says your wrong.

The overwhelming probability is the courts will say your wrong.

Seniority is your position on a seniority list. That's why it's called a seniority number.

Keep on ignoring reality. How that working for you and USAPA so far?

 

[BoeingBoy]

I am certain each corporation has their own language, but, I am pretty sure most think that "total revenue - total cost", indeed, equals yield. That would be both sides of the equation.

Please help me understand what you mean.

Um, according to Tom Legow, yield is not just a component of RASM, but is a result of the difference between RASM and CASM, hopefully positive. Your example ignores what yield really is, as Tom and I understand it.

Since Legow came from an airline background, I find it extremely hard to believe he said that in the context of airline financial reporting.

From US' annual report (since the quarterly isn't out yet) - "Yield — A measure of airline revenue derived by dividing passenger revenue by revenue passenger miles and expressed in cents per mile."

From UA's annual report (ditto) - "Yield is mainline passenger revenue excluding industry and employee discounted fares per RPM."

From AA's quarterly report - "Yield: passenger revenue per passenger mile."

You can check any airlines SEC filings (excluding freight carriers) and you'll see basically the same defination - revenue divided by RPM's - with the difference being whether it's mainline only, consolidated, or both that's being reported. As far as I know, only WN uses a slightly different twist by reporting both passenger yield per RPM and operating yield per ASM but even they use it as a measure of revenue only.

So for the airlines yield is strictly a revenue measurement, using the industry standard yardstick of per RPM (except WN's operating yield as described above).

Jim

 

[EastUS]

I see one AWA guy that was 11 when AAA was hiring a bunch in "86...are you saying that some that bumped you back were as young as 6?

For the first part = Well!...all of a whole 11 years old when others were beginning their flying at US?..and equally or more supposedly "senior" to those hired in '86 by your and nic's "reasoning"?..Well then :Whew!..that's a huge relief!..for just a moment there, I'd thought the whole nic nonsense wasn't completely "fair and equitable", and fully "reasonable" I can now see the clear wisdom in seeking to place that 11 year old as "Captain" over those hired in '86 that were actual pilots, even at that time. This entire mess just becomes ever-increasingly bizarre and yet even more utterly insane the deeper it's actually examined.

For the second part = Nope, as per the "bumped you back"..and, while it's not directly germane to airline seniority; you do realize that some or many of yours out there, that you're so adamant about wishing to see become "senior"...weren't even born when many out east first pinned on their military Wings?...or began their commercial careers? One just has to laugh sometimes.

If this absurd scenario didn't exist; No one could ever even write it up as part ot any actually believable fiction.

"Lord, what fools these mortals be...."