US Airways Pilots Labor Thread 12/16-22

[Tiger 1050]

TWO MORE CARRIERS DUMP ALPO

Actually it's one carrier. I believe Atlas bought Polar some time ago.

Strange though... Why didn't they vote in USAPA? I am quite sure Seham was hoping to dupe another emotionally charged group of pilots... Oh yeah he's up to his neck in legal issues that he brought on himself. Now that deserves two thumbs up!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Could it be that they are charging way to much than?

Well, yes. USAPA said up front that they would eventually be able to operate the union at less than half of the dues ALPA charged. They made this claim based on the costs other independent pilot unions incur in their operation.

They went on to say that initially the dues percentage would remain the same as ALPA in anticipation of the west pilots being dues objectors until the process plays itself out.

Given that USAPA made these statements even before the election was complete, those 60% of us paying the way (for now) for the other 40% is not a problem. I consider it growing pains. Soon the coffers will be overflowing as the termination process for objectors begins in earnest.

When the dust settles, I am certain that USAPA will live up to their intention to lower the dues rate to something more reasonable.

But for now, they are by their own admission "charging way to [sic] much than [sic]."

 

[skyflyr69]

Want a contract? A contract will be had when the line captains decide they want one. Until then, you can expect certain bases to cowtow to mgt. along with certain individuals.
:angry:

 

[skyflyr69]

Well, yes. USAPA said up front that they would eventually be able to operate the union at less than half of the dues ALPA charged. They made this claim based on the costs other independent pilot unions incur in their operation.

They went on to say that initially the dues percentage would remain the same as ALPA in anticipation of the west pilots being dues objectors until the process plays itself out.

Given that USAPA made these statements even before the election was complete, those 60% of us paying the way (for now) for the other 40% is not a problem. I consider it growing pains. Soon the coffers will be overflowing as the termination process for objectors begins in earnest.

When the dust settles, I am certain that USAPA will live up to their intention to lower the dues rate to something more reasonable.

But for now, they are by their own admission "charging way to [sic] much than [sic]."

I wonder if the union will address a certain pilot every one endures !!!??? LOL!!

 

[exB717Flyer]

Heard the westies want to depose 80 witnesses. At 2 to 3 grand per, that should be a cool quarter million out of Arizona pockets.

I'm not a lawyer but even I know that's a list of potential witnesses. Expect only a fraction of them to be deposed.

 

[Phoenix]

What???

I am missing the entire logic connection there.

“white knuckled Nicolau clingerâ€￾? The discussion was only 60% of the pilots here think that USAPA is worth paying money to. ... 40% of the pilots do not agree with that direction.

So your point is that only 40% of pilots (maybe) think AWAAPPAAA is worth paying money to (even though AWAAPPAAA is telling them all to join and pay dues to USAPA. :huh: :unsure: :blink: )

Ok.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Want a contract? A contract will be had when the line captains decide they want one. Until then, you can expect certain bases to cowtow to mgt. along with certain individuals.
:angry:

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Wow! I am literally speechless. So now it's on the captain's shoulders huh? Okay...

 

[cleardirect]

So your point is that only 40% of pilots (maybe) think AWAAPPAAA is worth paying money to (even though AWAAPPAAA is telling them all to join and pay dues to USAPA. :huh: :unsure: :blink: )

Ok.

Deflect, distract. USAPA is the CBA no one else. AWAPPA has no place in this conversation. USAPA is the one that has to perform. They have the responsibility to represent.

USAPA has a contractual lever to collect dues yet only 60% are paying. AWAPPA has no leverage yet many choose to donate money to them. Even with section 29 USAPA can not get people to pay.

USAPA has a monopoly but still can not get many supporters. I would guess that number is going to plummet if/when the judge rules that the Nicolau is the list. As a matter of fact that number may flip. Most of the west and a minority of the east will be members.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Even with section 29 USAPA can not get people to pay.

That particular line of thought has always had a limited shelf life. The expiration date is closing in quickly, and the process is targeting east as well as west. Those on the east who have sucked at ALPA's teat for years, now have to live with their legacy and who refuse to pay up will find themselves met on a jetway in the near future by a CP with a law enforcement escort and handed a dues non-revokable check-off agreement and promissory note for the amount of back dues. The choice will be made there and then: sign now, or turn in the company issued property and ID card. It will happen to the self-righteous objectors from both sides. My guess is that all but one or two will opt to sign. Once the news gets out, USAPA will have no problem getting people to pay.

USAPA has a monopoly but still can not get many supporters. I would guess that number is going to plummet if/when the judge rules that the Nicolau is the list. As a matter of fact that number may flip. Most of the west and a minority of the east will be members.

I don't think the number will flip so much as that the west will then begin full participation in USAPA. Those on the east most affected by Nicolau will not necessarily withdraw support from the union. After all, the union did not, in any way, shape, or form, offer any guarantees about the Nicolau list. My guess is that, if the economy turns upward and other opportunities present themselves, a great number of the affected east pilots will split for greener pastures. I know I would. In fact, many left within weeks of the publication of the Nicolau shame and are happily spinning turbine blades elsewhere.

 

[cleardirect]

That particular line of thought has always had a limited shelf life. The expiration date is closing in quickly, and the process is targeting east as well as west. Those on the east who have sucked at ALPA's teat for years, now have to live with their legacy and who refuse to pay up will find themselves met on a jetway in the near future by a CP with a law enforcement escort and handed a dues non-revokable check-off agreement and promissory note for the amount of back dues. The choice will be made there and then: sign now, or turn in the company issued property and ID card. It will happen to the self-righteous objectors from both sides. My guess is that all but one or two will opt to sign. Once the news gets out, USAPA will have no problem getting people to pay.

Could you point to the section of the contract that says that can happen? That is not the procedure.
Many steps have to happen before someone is :forced: to make a life decission in the jetway.

I believe that forced dues check off is illegal. I know it is in the C&BL but it may be against federal rules.

 

[flybynite]

I still think you guys are a bunch of nit-wits.

Ya'll have focused so much of your energy on this you are failing to keep track on other issues. Such as trip contruction.....

This company wants us to turn ourselves into pretzels to work their trips and I've not heard not word of complaint out you guys.

Where are your brains???? Is the AFA going to have to haul your asses into the here and now???

Wake the #### UP!!

 

[traderjake]

After all, the union did not, in any way, shape, or form, offer any guarantees about the Nicolau list.

Did USAPA say that negotiating seniority was no different than negotiating crew meals?

They may not have guaranteed it but they sure implied it.

Or are you saying they are incapable of negotiating crew meals?

Either way that's quite an organization you support. See you in the jetway with that CP and law enforcement officer.

 

[luvthe9]

Want a contract? A contract will be had when the line captains decide they want one. Until then, you can expect certain bases to cowtow to mgt. along with certain individuals.
:angry:

100% correct, We could ALL have a better contract in a matter of weeks if we were ALL on the same page!!!!

 

[luvthe9]

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/200...lue-union_N.htm Leaders of the organizing campaign hope to pattern their group after the pilots' union at Southwest Airlines Co., which is ironic because JetBlue itself was patterned after Southwest's low-fare model.

I can't imagine why they don't want ALPO.

 

[traderjake]

100% correct, We could ALL have a better contract in a matter of weeks if we were ALL on the same page!!!!

You should have thought of that before you tried to steal the jobs of 40% of the pilot group.