US Airways Pilots Labor Thread 12/16-22

[N924PS]

SPIN RECOVERY! Remember to recover from the dive......

 

[cleardirect]

You assume sir that you are held in high regard as a pilot in this profession. america west airlines, the pilots and their ceo's have a very tainted past. The airline, the pilots and their ceo's were considered the bottom of the barrel in the airline industry for years. You are now comparing yourself to DAL and NWA, you made the comparison sir.

My analogy example, click here.

I made no comparison. I pointed out what three neutral arbitrator had to say about attrition and value that it holds. I believe that some east pilots have placed much more value on attrition than it has.

Not sure why you think that AWA had a tainted past. Every airline has a history. But just a reminder. Our CEO and pilots are now merged with the mess and cobbled together airline that is US Airways.

We may have been under paid, but as of today and the last few years. That honor is held by the east now. Bringing down the industry. Besides this latest experiment with USAPA, the rest of the industry understands what the east pilots are doing. It is certainly not something to be proud of.

 

[Tiger 1050]

We all know Jacks position. ALPO was the CBA at the time, Tiger, not Jack Stephan or the U-MEC. If he was doing something wrong, alpo should have removed him. Instead, they removed Eric and Dave for a lot less. anyway, alpo at least owes him a defense.

To be honest I do not know enough about law to explain the "Jack" issue other than to say he is the one who began that campaign. It would seem easy for ALPA to wash their hands of that. As far as Eric and Dave I believe ALPA was too afraid of the consequences if they put the U MEC into trusteeship. Turns out they had probably lost the property anyhow...

Your continued anger is noted. I try not to RIK. But promises? Obama got my vote on promises of change (and to keep corn ethanol subsidies). What we got was Hillary and the old Clinton crowd. I see DFR there.

Try not to read any anger into my statement. I am not angry. I am simply trying to illustrate my point. Obama is certainly tracking more down the middle than most thought...

Arrogance doesnt make DFR. I dont want alpo back either, especially before the UAL merger. meanwhile, if the judge can somehow legally enforce a contract negotiation deadline, all the leverage goes to parker. LOA 3 will look good. snooper, thinking out loud

My use of the term arrogance refers to the USAPA leadership and those that follow them. Because Seham tells you you can throw an arbitrated decision out, you believe you can. There seems to be little regard for any potential consequences. That my friend is arrogance.

What Judge Wake does or does not do is anyone's guess. I will not claim to know how this will go down. I will say, however, that it does not appear to be good for USAPA/Seham. Having said that, you could be right, we may all end up in LOA 93 land. Just as you believe in your cause we too believe in ours. In the end I'm sure the playing field will be pretty level....

 

[Tiger 1050]

Word I got is that USAPA is ecstatic that Seham will be called to the stand. Why do you think they immediately jumped to change primary counsel to Brengle and didn't put up a fuss at all?

Seham is the counsel for the corporation known as USAPA and is responsible to that corporate entity, not all USAirways pilots individually. (Didn't that individual crap die with the misdirected state lawsuit in Arizona that the westies filed?)

I'd be interested to read anything you have to post! I am, of course, hearing the opposite.

 

[nostradamus]

1 I made no comparison.

2 Not sure why you think that AWA had a tainted past.

3 We may have been under paid, but as of today and the last few years. That honor is held by the east now. Bringing down the industry.

4 Besides this latest experiment with USAPA, the rest of the industry understands what the east pilots are doing. It is certainly not something to be proud of.

1 Yes you did, many times.

2 Check the history of my posts, for examples of such.

3 For 20 years west pilots have earned less than the East, undercutting them. The average east pilot has made one million dollars more in their career.

4 I am proud of being associated with USAPA, they are trying to keep barbarians from the gate.

 

[cleardirect]

Word I got is that USAPA is ecstatic that Seham will be called to the stand. Why do you think they immediately jumped to change primary counsel to Brengle and didn't put up a fuss at all?

Interesting spin. Have you heard of other cases where the attorney becomes part of the case? This is very unusual to say the least. Why is it that no one has ever heard that this PHL attorney has been working with USAPA? Jumped probably the correct word. More likely as a defensive move more than from being ecstatic.

Seham is the counsel for the corporation known as USAPA and is responsible to that corporate entity, not all USAirways pilots individually. (Didn't that individual crap die with the misdirected state lawsuit in Arizona that the westies filed?)

But he does represent ALL pilots at US Airways. Not just east pilots or the BPR. That is where Seham is going to find his trouble.

Judge Wake combined the state case and the federal DFR. The state case was remanded to federal court. The individuals are still on the hook.

CV08-1633-PHX-NVW DATE: December 15, 2008
CV08-1728-PHX-NVW
Year Case No. Dft #
HON: NEIL V. WAKE Judge # 7032
Caption: CV08-1633 Addington, et. al. v. US Airline Pilots Association, et. al.
CV08-1728 Addington, et. al. v. Bradford, et. al.


This is the time set for hearing. THE COURT ORDERS the above two cases consolidated under CV08-1633- PHX-NVW and all further documents should be filed with a dual caption and filed under CV08-1633-PHXNVW.

Court and counsel confer regarding the status of the case.
THE COURT ORDERS Plaintiffs to file whatever motions for class certifications they wish by December 29, 2008 and that Defendants file a Response by January 16, 2009 and Plaintiffs file a Reply by January 23, 2009.

THE COURT ORDERS Defendants to file their brief on the jury trial issue by January 16, 2009, Plaintiffs’
Response is to be filed by January 23, 2009 and Defendant’s Reply, if any, to be filed by January 30, 2009.

THE COURT ORDERS Defendants to Respond to the Motion to Compel [doc. 106] by no later than January 29, 2009. Plaintiffs’ Reply is due in the time allotted by the Rules.

The pending Motion to Dismiss [doc. 16] in CV08-1728 is taken under advisement.

Time in Court: 1 hr, 45 mins.

 

[N924PS]

By the time USAPA is able to negotiate a joint contract the West may well have made up that disparity.

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Sounds like another win for USAPA to me.

No - it's more like an injury time out. Any victory by either side is still a long ways off. But clearly, the "star" of the east has taken a heavy blow.

 

[hp_fa]

Word I got is that USAPA is ecstatic that Seham will be called to the stand. Why do you think they immediately jumped to change primary counsel to Brengle and didn't put up a fuss at all?

I have no idea if what you say is correct or not, but having your counsel called as a fact witness by the opposing side is not a good thing. If USAPA is really happy about this then I have no idea what they are thinking.

 

[nostradamus]

Due to the longevity raises the east f/o on average make more than the west. The longevity for captains make the east and west even, when you consider the additional money added to the 401k each month for the east. In 2010 and 2011 east pilots will share 35 million per those years. The disparity will take a decade or more to even out what you call a disparity.

A pilot for the west makes the same amount of money whether they are flying a 757, Airbus or 737. Now the wide body pay for a west pilot now is ........., oh, they do not have wide bodies. Ok, the international pay for west pilots is the following........... oh, thats right they do not have overseas international routes.

Disparity.


The Bangkok flying does not count.

 

[nostradamus]

I have no idea if what you say is correct or not, but having your counsel called as a fact witness by the opposing side is not a good thing. If USAPA is really happy about this then I have no idea what they are thinking.

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post Feb 1 2006, 08:31 AM


""Would someone please tell me why at least some East pilots have been seen in public with "Furlough Dave" bag tags on" their bags and explain to me why they think this is acceptable behavior?""

hp-fa wanna be lawyer


I have not ever seen such a "bag tag" over the years, I have not heard anyone mention a tag as you described back then.

This is just the start of the disparities in your background as it concerns the truth. I am studying the history of your posts, it took 1 minute to find this "statement".

Dispensing legal advice you learned from tv shows is not acceptable and is illegal. Please provide the credentials that give you the right to act as a legal expert on this message board. Anyone can review the history of your posts and find a pattern of impersonating a lawyer or a legal professional.

My advice to you is, provide a disclaimer.

 

[traderjake]

I've looked into this guy Lee Seeham and all I see is an attorney who has been on the losing side of some pretty big cases. Anyone else know about his prior track record?

He's the first one that would tell them what they wanted to hear.

 

[traderjake]

4 I am proud of being associated with USAPA, they are trying to keep barbarians from the gate.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

The barbarians are the one's who hide behind Date of Hire to steal another man's job.

Everyone, except USAPA supporters, knows it.

 

[traderjake]

You assume sir that you are held in high regard as a pilot in this profession. america west airlines, the pilots and their ceo's have a very tainted past. The airline, the pilots and their ceo's were considered the bottom of the barrel in the airline industry for years.

You're living in the past.

Measured by compensation and ethical behavior, we are now the bottom of the barrel.

 

[traderjake]

Flying a plane doesn't make you a legal expert anymore than standing in a hnagar makes you a plane.

Bob, you don't understand. Knowing how to fly an airplane makes us gods.

You don't believe it? Just ask anyone who works with us.