700, I'm not suggesting you load bags. We all have more then enough people out of work. I was just pointing out that someone actually took the bull by the horns and did something nice for a fellow employee. This example was to the extreme. But the company has driven us futher and further apart from each employee group, but the only way we can stay employed is to work together. If your still flying, you remember the days when the last thing out of the Captains mouth was, I'm not leaving any employees behind am I. On full flights you would often see employees on the cockpit Jump Seat. Back then each employee was AUTHORIZED 1 round trip per each aircraft type on the jump seat.
Us Airways Pilots Call For Removal Of Siegel,cohen
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USAirBoyA330
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I shouldn't even get into it with you HOPE777 because it's a waist of time and OFF the thread topic. Some F/A's take their job seriously and others don't. I happen to take mine seriously and try to avoid the wrath off the FAA and esp In-flight services. We are minimum staffed and can get fined $1,500 for stepping off the aircraft to check a duplicate seat assignment.
I am really tired of trying with certain work groups because I am always the 1st to grab the non-rev list and upgrade after door closure. I will give you everything not nailed down to the cabin but, you are generalizing all F/A's as selfish and non-caring because we don't parade around the ramp with a tray of coffee.
Just yesterday we got another letter from AFA ordering us NOT to pick up trash or help the cleaners or rampers in any way because grievances are coming in. Fine.....will do. But when I get on the aircraft and ask for supplies that were never boarded or ask a nasty tray table to be sprayed/cleaned....9 times out of 10 I get a hateful look and curse words under their breath. But OOOOOH no...I still upgrade and try my best to be pleasent with other workgroups because thats who I am. Sorry that I won't cross the line of breaking FAA regulations and risk $1,500 for a ramp coffee service.
I am really tired of trying with certain work groups because I am always the 1st to grab the non-rev list and upgrade after door closure. I will give you everything not nailed down to the cabin but, you are generalizing all F/A's as selfish and non-caring because we don't parade around the ramp with a tray of coffee.
Just yesterday we got another letter from AFA ordering us NOT to pick up trash or help the cleaners or rampers in any way because grievances are coming in. Fine.....will do. But when I get on the aircraft and ask for supplies that were never boarded or ask a nasty tray table to be sprayed/cleaned....9 times out of 10 I get a hateful look and curse words under their breath. But OOOOOH no...I still upgrade and try my best to be pleasent with other workgroups because thats who I am. Sorry that I won't cross the line of breaking FAA regulations and risk $1,500 for a ramp coffee service.
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330, do you know that tray cleaning is not required on a turn, the company wants utility on and off an airplane in 10 minutes, they are working short staffed, ie two utility for three gates, large airplanes and security checks, before you cast stones, maybe you need to walk a mile in someone elses shoes before making a blanket statement.
USAirBoyA330
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Yeah I know and I feel bad for all you guys.....BELIEVE ME I DO. I have taken a spray bottle and done it myself before because I know the cleaners are overwhelmed and I got it snatched from me and told if I want it cleaned to ask! I have to sneak the freaking cleaning spray? So I follow the rules and ask only too get crap muttered at me with a nasty look? I am just in a loose loose situation huh? So I get locked in a metal tube with a passenger complaining and being nasty too me about their filthy tray table! What the heck do you want us to do and don't even say take the abuse from the PAX because that won't change anything....it's hasn't so far.
Taking the initiative to do those things is what ought to be encouraged, not discouraged. How sad. I remember not long ago that I watched a pilot that was commuting clean the pen marks off the seat backs in front of him. Little things like that are what show the right spirit in an organization.USAirBoyA330 said:
Sorry flyboi, but this is a f/a urban legend, and as such refuses to die.USAirBoyA330 said:
The FAA cannot fine you, nor can it fine a passenger. The worst the FAA can do is file a lawsuit against you. Unless you are a CERTIFICATED AIRMAN, the FAA is powerless over you. Any fine would be against the company [or another certificated airman] who could then take personnel action against you.
Examples of certificate holders are: Pilot, Mechanic, FE, Nav, Dispatcher, Flight Instructor, and Ground Instructor. AFA has been begging for a certificate for years and it looks as though you are about to get it. Once you do, you will be on the hook more than you can imagine.
Reference for this is my close proximity to an FAA Cabin Safety Inspector, and my own status as a pilot examiner.
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Fly, you are 100% incorrect you do not have to be a certified or certificated to be fined, suspened or jailed by violating the FARs, we have had cases of ramp, agents, utility and F/A recieve Letters of Investigation from the FAA for FAR violations, go check with your local FSDO and they will inform you of what I posted.flynomore said:
twoturnin
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Great points Oldie-----old senior Lake Central and Allegany dudes long retired told me ---about calling dispatch on routes etc etc----your wasting your time calling those folks they have never listened to us and why would they start now !! Probably be a shock to see senior management riding jump seat and asking how can we make this operation better-----never happened at US Air yet . GL and Merry Christmas all Two
USAirBoyA330
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Uhhhh.....yeah....the fine USAirways as a company and I am responsible for it. Doesn't mean I PAY IT......it means I caused it. Just like they fine USAirways for leaving jetways doors open or ajar. I am not saying I have to pay $1,500 but I certainly don't want USAirways paying either.
And I am done on this topic because in the grand scheme of things, it frivolous.
And I am done on this topic because in the grand scheme of things, it frivolous.
Actually, I am 100% correct. For reference see 14 CFR 13 subpart B and C. It is on the internet at faa.gov. Civil penalties are all that can be applied to non certificate holders. That means court and a slow process. The FAA likes fast and can do so only to a certificate holder. Any fines to those you mentioned are likely via the certificate holder, USAIR.700UW said:
Think about how long the interference cases take as they are court cases. Anyways, this is off topic.
The following was posted at www.jet-jobs.com.
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AIR News Headline: Will Siegel Be Next?
US Airways' pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association
(ALPA), have called for the immediate removal of CEO David Siegel and
CFO Neal Cohen. MEC Chairman Bill Pollack said the pilots have given
billions of dollars in concessions, including the largest concessionary
package in the history of commercial aviation. Pollack added that
Siegel and Cohen "had every tool, every advantage they needed to turn
the airline around - yet they've failed."
"We've emerged from fiscal bankruptcy, but we're hamstrung by a
management that remains bankrupt of vision, leadership, management
skills, and ideas. The concession window is closed for this management
team," declared Pollack.
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AIR News Headline: Will Siegel Be Next?
US Airways' pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association
(ALPA), have called for the immediate removal of CEO David Siegel and
CFO Neal Cohen. MEC Chairman Bill Pollack said the pilots have given
billions of dollars in concessions, including the largest concessionary
package in the history of commercial aviation. Pollack added that
Siegel and Cohen "had every tool, every advantage they needed to turn
the airline around - yet they've failed."
"We've emerged from fiscal bankruptcy, but we're hamstrung by a
management that remains bankrupt of vision, leadership, management
skills, and ideas. The concession window is closed for this management
team," declared Pollack.
This was posted on the USAirways Pilots website and MEC code a phone by MEC
Chairman Bill Pollock.
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MEC CODE-A-PHONE UPDATE
December 19, 2003
This is MEC Chairman Bill Pollock with a US Airways MEC update for Friday, December 19th, with one new item.
In this update I will reaffirm the position of ALPA with regards to the senior management team at US Airways. Simply, our goal, as pilots of US Airways, is to see the Company succeed. However, we lack confidence in its current management team led by David Siegel and Neal Cohen and seek their resignation so that the company may prosper under imaginative, resourceful and respectful airline leaders.
Additionally, the chairman of US Airways, Dr. David Bronner, publicly revealed in a press interview that I, as a Board member, left a meeting of the corporate Board in response to comments by Dr. Bronner concerning the status of senior management. Dr. Bronner has also publicly revealed his view that I somehow breached Board confidentiality because ALPA has called for the removal of senior management and has suggested that I resign. In fact, Dr. Bronner has also written to me to the same effect, and in that letter, he went even further, threatening to refer this matter to the corporate governance committee for consideration of my removal if I did not issue a public apology.
Aside from the irony of Dr. Bronner's complaint about anyone revealing Board deliberations, I have made clear that there will be no apology. I have further advised Dr. Bronner that the corporate chairman's statements are an unlawful threat of retaliation. As you know, a public call for removal of senior management was issued by ALPA, in accordance with its rights under the Railway Labor Act. As I reminded Dr. Bronner, no Board confidentiality was even involved in that public demand. I have also informed Dr. Bronner, the Railway Labor Act prohibits Dr. Bronner's threat to retaliate against me for this union statement. Finally, the agreement between ALPA and US Airways provides that the MEC decides on selection and removal of the pilot director.
ALPA regrets the necessity of a public discussion of these events, made necessary by Dr. Bronner's public statements. We continue to request that the corporate Board of Directors, and its leadership, focus on the necessity of making this airline survive and prosper.
Please remember we have 1,879 pilots on furlough.
Thank you for listening.
Chairman Bill Pollock.
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MEC CODE-A-PHONE UPDATE
December 19, 2003
This is MEC Chairman Bill Pollock with a US Airways MEC update for Friday, December 19th, with one new item.
In this update I will reaffirm the position of ALPA with regards to the senior management team at US Airways. Simply, our goal, as pilots of US Airways, is to see the Company succeed. However, we lack confidence in its current management team led by David Siegel and Neal Cohen and seek their resignation so that the company may prosper under imaginative, resourceful and respectful airline leaders.
Additionally, the chairman of US Airways, Dr. David Bronner, publicly revealed in a press interview that I, as a Board member, left a meeting of the corporate Board in response to comments by Dr. Bronner concerning the status of senior management. Dr. Bronner has also publicly revealed his view that I somehow breached Board confidentiality because ALPA has called for the removal of senior management and has suggested that I resign. In fact, Dr. Bronner has also written to me to the same effect, and in that letter, he went even further, threatening to refer this matter to the corporate governance committee for consideration of my removal if I did not issue a public apology.
Aside from the irony of Dr. Bronner's complaint about anyone revealing Board deliberations, I have made clear that there will be no apology. I have further advised Dr. Bronner that the corporate chairman's statements are an unlawful threat of retaliation. As you know, a public call for removal of senior management was issued by ALPA, in accordance with its rights under the Railway Labor Act. As I reminded Dr. Bronner, no Board confidentiality was even involved in that public demand. I have also informed Dr. Bronner, the Railway Labor Act prohibits Dr. Bronner's threat to retaliate against me for this union statement. Finally, the agreement between ALPA and US Airways provides that the MEC decides on selection and removal of the pilot director.
ALPA regrets the necessity of a public discussion of these events, made necessary by Dr. Bronner's public statements. We continue to request that the corporate Board of Directors, and its leadership, focus on the necessity of making this airline survive and prosper.
Please remember we have 1,879 pilots on furlough.
Thank you for listening.
PITbull
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Anyone can run an airline into the ground. Our CEO is doing just that.usfliboi said:
There are many capable folks who can operate an airline. Dave does not have the coner on airline CEOship. We have some very educated airline experts right on this property who know the system and how to effectively operate the airline. There are many in corporate america who can rise to the occasion.
Making $600,000 a year in CEO salary is very generous and well compensated in this kind of environment. Can attract the best.
