TWU one line local for maint.

[Overspeed]

Wrong again!
INTL officers and reps are on UBC leave of absence. The only leave of absence where AA pays their salaries and benefits, but is reimbursed with membership dues. A leave of absence that is supposed to last 12 months or for the term in office. The only union business leave of absence not covered under the Baker Letter....and is actually covered in the CBA, and only article that wasn't touched by AA. So, what is the term for ATD Director Gless.....and INTL rep Videtich??? And, when are they coming back on the floor to live under the terms of the POS contract?? They do have term limits, right????

They are on Union Leave of Absence. They do NOT get UBC. Read the LM2 for the Int'l or ask your buddies Bob and Chuck. Int'l officers get paid directly by the TWU out of membership dues.

The article you refer to is that they do not lose their job or seniority. When Burchette and Yingst left the Int'l they went back to their old jobs and came of LOA. Their paychecks came from the TWU and were not paid by AA. Get it right before you pop off.

I don't agree with term limits myself and neither should you. You love Bob don't you? Then he would not be there for next negotiations. Or maybe get an Int'l job. If Bob got in to the Int'l would you still want term limits. Think the whole thing through buddy.

The Baker Letter refers to UBB and that is where the company pays everything like they do when you work the floor. UBC is where the company pays the same way but where the union must repay the wages and benefits costs. Either way union LOA or UBC they members still pay their salaries so your whole point is BS.

 

[furp]

Overspeed!!!!!! "Half cocked "?
that Is how krystal described you !!! You fat, impident, self serving, six figure sell out, A4 flying, local money ImbezzelIng, religious hypocritic!!!

 

[Overspeed]

Cowardly meaning being fearful to identify yourself when attempting to defend the twu's undemocratic, unaccountable structure.

I have also taken donations from the twu. Why don't you post that?

You question my integrity? Lol! All from behind an alias... PRICELESS!!!

Go AMFA!

Have you ever read the Federalist Papers? They were all published under an alias. Not comparing myself but if all you have is that I post behind an alias that's weak. I have pointed out facts about your integrity that are indisputable.

The TWU donations are fine, in fact donations from people that support our craft and keeping jobs from being in-sourced is awesome. The point being made is even if you did not accept the AA or ARSA money on principle you would have still gotten the money for the memorial. You know that. It is a worthy and admirable project. You should have respectfully decline the donation from them. Ken you were all fired up about returning AIP checks in the past on principle. That showed integrity in that you stood behind your principles but now you have demonstrated that you have questionable principles.

Your flip flop on which union to support also shows that you lack back bone and conviction. Why did you not stay the course with AMFA all along? Because you are a favor of the month supporter.

 

[strikeforce]

They are on Union Leave of Absence. They do NOT get UBC. Read the LM2 for the Int'l or ask your buddies Bob and Chuck. Int'l officers get paid directly by the TWU out of membership dues.

The article you refer to is that they do not lose their job or seniority. When Burchette and Yingst left the Int'l they went back to their old jobs and came of LOA. Their paychecks came from the TWU and were not paid by AA. Get it right before you pop off.

I don't agree with term limits myself and neither should you. You love Bob don't you? Then he would not be there for next negotiations. Or maybe get an Int'l job. If Bob got in to the Int'l would you still want term limits. Think the whole thing through buddy.

The Baker Letter refers to UBB and that is where the company pays everything like they do when you work the floor. UBC is where the company pays the same way but where the union must repay the wages and benefits costs. Either way union LOA or UBC they members still pay their salaries so your whole point is BS.

The bottom line behind my point is that ONLY the INTL officers and reps escaped AA's rath. They will continue to enjoy their six-figure union paid salary. Earn pension benefits based on a union salary...not AA salary. BTW, did AA freeze the INTL's pension benefits??? The membership has absolutely NO say on what the priviledged few enjoy. They don't live by the concessionary contracts, yet have enormous power over what you make. You obviously don't have a problem with that....because you're either one of them or just a fool. Why do I even bother.......

 

[Overspeed]

Overspeed!!!!!! "Half cocked "?
that Is how krystal described you !!! You fat, impident, self serving, six figure sell out, A4 flying, local money ImbezzelIng, religious hypocritic!!!

Jerry, I have been an officer in the very distant past. I am not an officer of the Int'l but I am well on the way to making six figures with all the OT like many of us are who work. Jerry I don't know why you are such an angry person but you really need help.

I know Krystal was the secretary at the local and I understood from Hatfield that they needed to cut costs. He told me they were bleeding cash because of some arbitration case that got very expensive. Why don't you confront Don about your issues or file charges if you have facts on embezzling.

 

[Overspeed]

The bottom line behind my point is that ONLY the INTL officers and reps escaped AA's rath. They will continue to enjoy their six-figure union paid salary. Earn pension benefits based on a union salary...not AA salary. BTW, did AA freeze the INTL's pension benefits??? The membership has absolutely NO say on what the priviledged few enjoy. They don't live by the concessionary contracts, yet have enormous power over what you make. You obviously don't have a problem with that....because you're either one of them or just a fool. Why do I even bother.......

The pension issue has been discussed in the past on this blog. They have a TWU pension and I am sure that did not stop.

Personally I don't agree with the argument that someone else has something and I don't so they shouldn't have it either. That's how unions are broken. The public is being told that unions are greedy and that is why the economy is bad. Don't buy in to that. I fully agree that the wage rate formula needs to be addressed for all union officers. Tossing out the union is not going to fix our problems as AMTs. Pay attention, the Int'l is listening and that is why changes are being made. I believe it will get better. What I don't believe is that changing unions because we are pissed about what happened in BK will fix anything.

 

[AC Tynker]

And the opinion is that the twu is being replaced.

Hey, when does Gless get called up on Bad Standing charges for promoting AMFA?

Probably the same day stop dodging the question about accepting a donation from ARSA.

 

[Frank Szabo]

The pension issue has been discussed in the past on this blog. They have a TWU pension and I am sure that did not stop.

Personally I don't agree with the argument that someone else has something and I don't so they shouldn't have it either. That's how unions are broken. The public is being told that unions are greedy and that is why the economy is bad. Don't buy in to that. I fully agree that the wage rate formula needs to be addressed for all union officers. Tossing out the union is not going to fix our problems as AMTs. Pay attention, the Int'l is listening and that is why changes are being made. I believe it will get better. What I don't believe is that changing unions because we are pissed about what happened in BK will fix anything.

You believe "it" will get better? You should have ensured "it" will get "better" by taking the early out and leaving Horton and company to enjoy the fruits of their "labors". It's been years since I felt that good about a decision I made.

 

[strikeforce]

Your mental Dude. Get some help.

Overspeed needs a dose of reality. The reality is that AA is not immune to what other carriers have done with overhaul. AA's just a few years behind. Reality is....carriers are willing to sacrifice experience for inexperience as long it saves them money. It was the TWU chance to enhance the lives of the people remaining....and they blew it. Overspeed thinks some arbitrary number like 35% max outsourcing will stop bean counters from fudging the numbers......dude, they're paid to save the company money. They will find a way around that 35%, trust me. I see 777 flying to HKG everyday for phase checks....in and out, 3 days max, and minimal parts, and minimal labor. 767's flying to GRU.....to have the gears greased, sits on the ramp for 12 hours, then back to the states. Amt's down there make peanuts. That's the future Overspeed.....your not immune to the vicious outsourcing world of aviation. Why not get the most out of AA while you can? Like AMFA did at WN........AMFA did at UAL.....AMFA did at NWA? It's coming brother!

 

[strikeforce]

The pension issue has been discussed in the past on this blog. They have a TWU pension and I am sure that did not stop.

Personally I don't agree with the argument that someone else has something and I don't so they shouldn't have it either. That's how unions are broken. The public is being told that unions are greedy and that is why the economy is bad. Don't buy in to that. I fully agree that the wage rate formula needs to be addressed for all union officers. Tossing out the union is not going to fix our problems as AMTs. Pay attention, the Int'l is listening and that is why changes are being made. I believe it will get better. What I don't believe is that changing unions because we are pissed about what happened in BK will fix anything.

the public has affixed a label on union workers as, "lazy and costly". the public is concerned about one thing....paying the least for any product. You know what screwed the worker in the country....the internet, google, and smart phones. the public has now access at the touch of their fingers to the cheapest gas prices, airline tickets, sporting events, groceries, clothes. this country has changed from brand loyalty to lowest price. If your a unionized company....your in deep trouble. Welcome to the airline industry.

 

[Realityck]

I've been an AMT for +40 years and contrary to all the public opinion, the industry's real downward slide was triggered by Deregulation. The 17 major carrier bankruptcies since then are proof of that. American was able to walk through the minefield but eventually it caught up with us as well. I also believe all the speculation about the one local is premature since we haven't heard all the details, and it may not be what we think it is. All the Local President's need to attend the Council Meetings and get all the information before they start jumping off the bridge.

 

[Bob Owens]

I've been an AMT for +40 years and contrary to all the public opinion, the industry's real downward slide was triggered by Deregulation. The 17 major carrier bankruptcies since then are proof of that. American was able to walk through the minefield but eventually it caught up with us as well. I also believe all the speculation about the one local is premature since we haven't heard all the details, and it may not be what we think it is. All the Local President's need to attend the Council Meetings and get all the information before they start jumping off the bridge.

I always thought that was the more popular opinion as the start and cause of the decline of the industry? Is this another FOX NEWs tactic, claiming to be the underdog?

How many Airlines dissapeared prior to Deregulation? 17 bankruptcies over a 34year period, odds are more airlines dissapeared during the first 34 years of this industry than the last. What deregulation did was introduce the ability to lose a lot of money and also make a lot of money. The engineers of deregulation didnt like the fact that all the technology driven improvements to productivity were going to the Passengers via cheaper fares and the workers via improved wages, they wanted the shareholders to get the benefit. While proponents of Deregulation claim that it lowered fares the fact is that fares shrank more, when adjusted for inflation, under the CAB than they have since deregulation. The 747 did more to lower fares than deregulation. While in some of the post CAB years airlines posted what looked like devastating losses on paper, in other years they posted profits that were much greater than anything they saw when the industry was regulated. The huge swings allow some to make a lot of money and the RLA stalling tactics (and BK) allow carriers to hammer down concessions during the troughs instead of risking a strike during the peaks.

From what I was told there arent anymore details on the one Local other than whats in the sheet that looks as though it was preapred by the Economist that M&R did not use.

 

[Flying low]

I've been an AMT for +40 years and contrary to all the public opinion, the industry's real downward slide was triggered by Deregulation. The 17 major carrier bankruptcies since then are proof of that. American was able to walk through the minefield but eventually it caught up with us as well. I also believe all the speculation about the one local is premature since we haven't heard all the details, and it may not be what we think it is. All the Local President's need to attend the Council Meetings and get all the information before they start jumping off the bridge.

You maybe right about deregulation, but the fact remains public opinion is that all union workers are "lazy & costly". Just read any of the comments in an online newspaper or just about any radio talk show.

 

[strikeforce]

I've been an AMT for +40 years and contrary to all the public opinion, the industry's real downward slide was triggered by Deregulation. The 17 major carrier bankruptcies since then are proof of that. American was able to walk through the minefield but eventually it caught up with us as well. I also believe all the speculation about the one local is premature since we haven't heard all the details, and it may not be what we think it is. All the Local President's need to attend the Council Meetings and get all the information before they start jumping off the bridge.

Deregulation brought competition. you now have ultra low carriers charging $9 fares. How do you expect carriers with high labor costs to survive? They have to cut somewhere, right? Unfortunately, maintenance & labor are always a target for cuts. On the maintenance side....OH is an easy target right now because carriers can search for low cost vendors anywhere in the world. With that said.....your union has to decide how they're going to compete against these vendors to capture this work. The question remains to be, "what has more value OH or Line maintenance". OH is planned maintenance....Line is a broken airplane at the gate with 200 screaming passengers". I tend to believe Line Maintenance is much more of a value to the airlines. AMFA chose the latter....and got top dollar for their amt's. The TWU wants both, but AA won't pay top dollar for both. So, in order to keep both....wages have to come down or create more lower paid positions (OSM/SRP). As an AMT, do you want more money with enhanced benefits or a lower paid job with more out of pocket expenses. YOU chose the latter.

 

[Overspeed]

I always thought that was the more popular opinion as the start and cause of the decline of the industry? Is this another FOX NEWs tactic, claiming to be the underdog?

How many Airlines dissapeared prior to Deregulation? 17 bankruptcies over a 34year period, odds are more airlines dissapeared during the first 34 years of this industry than the last. What deregulation did was introduce the ability to lose a lot of money and also make a lot of money. The engineers of deregulation didnt like the fact that all the technology driven improvements to productivity were going to the Passengers via cheaper fares and the workers via improved wages, they wanted the shareholders to get the benefit. While proponents of Deregulation claim that it lowered fares the fact is that fares shrank more, when adjusted for inflation, under the CAB than they have since deregulation. The 747 did more to lower fares than deregulation. While in some of the post CAB years airlines posted what looked like devastating losses on paper, in other years they posted profits that were much greater than anything they saw when the industry was regulated. The huge swings allow some to make a lot of money and the RLA stalling tactics (and BK) allow carriers to hammer down concessions during the troughs instead of risking a strike during the peaks.

From what I was told there arent anymore details on the one Local other than whats in the sheet that looks as though it was preapred by the Economist that M&R did not use.

There has been just over 140 airline BK's since deregulation. Most airlines went out of business prior to deregulation due to mergers. Wrong again Bob with your bogus facts.

Make a lot of money? Where? Since 1947 the industry has turned a net LOSS of $1.4B according to the ATA.

The 747 made the industry a lot of money? Didn't the 747 get grounded during the 1970s oil embargo due to fuel burn and an inability to make profits? Yes.

in 2011, Stephen Breyer who worked on deregulation stated:

"Airline revenue per passenger mile has declined from an inflation-adjusted 33.3 cents in 1974, to 13 cents in the first half of 2010. In 1974 the cheapest round-trip New York-Los Angeles flight (in inflation-adjusted dollars) that regulators would allow: $1,442. Today one can fly that same route for $268."