TWU one line local for maint.

[1AA]

Again, apply the AMFA WN contract at AA. 2.75 AMTs per aircraft will take AA to 1,650 AMTs using their job protection language. But they are a single fleet operator so let's use CO, they have no scope language or job protection. They have an AMT ratio of 9 to 1 so that takes us to 5,400 AMTs. Even after the BK changes the new AMT per aircraft at AA will be 13 to 1 or 8,000 AMTs under the TWU scope language. Granted that headcount will fluctuate depending on new aircraft but we will always have more AMTs working in-house than AMFA or the IBT based on the TWU scope language. So

So you can have the AMFA pay, but you have to take the AMFA scope language as well. Same with the IBT contract.

You do understand that we had the UA/CO wages with job security and the scope language that had only about 10% of our work being outsourced in the May 2010 TA, right? You know, the one we vote down because the vote no coalition was going to get us more money.

Int'l officers don't get UBC. They are paid out of the TWU membership dues. You know, all 118,000 of them. Just like AMFA officers get paid out of the membership dues, you know all 2,700 of them. They did used to have 18,000 before they "fought" for more jobs and better wages.

There you go attacking AMFA quoting numbers. All about numbers nothing about how to improve and respect our profession. With you it is about numbers, numbers, numbers. Especially the ones with a $$ next to it. The only number I am watching is the countdown to getting rid of this Pathetic useless organization that you call a union.
I guess next paycheck you will get a raise twice over from my increase in Dues and your increase in pay. Enjoy it while it lasts because the party will soon come to an end.

 

[DNTULSA]

Hey Overspeed,

Is that statement true about you getting a secretary pregnant, or is it a lie?

 

[Realityck]

Hey Overspeed,

Is that statement true about you getting a secretary pregnant, or is it a lie?

Are you really as stupid as you sound or does it take a lot of practice?

 

[Bob Owens]

Change from within? Yes the TWU has said that and so did your hero Bob Owens in his 8/17 letter.

Yes, I am looking for change from within, and faced criticism for it, ironically from the same people who come hear and tell guys "dont sign IBT/AMFA cards, seek change from within". I made proposals, nearly four years ago, as to how we could make changes to better meet our expectations and these proposals were twisted and contorted into something worse than what we have now. Then I hear from those same people who often say “Don’t sign cards for another union, just seek change from within” come back and tell those of us who try to change from within “you better be careful what you ask for”. Why? Why should we be careful when we ask our union for changes? Be careful what you ask for is normally advice given to people who are in an adversarial position, not allies. The implication is that if you ask for something they will screw you while claiming they are meeting your request. Is that what these people are saying, be careful what you ask from the IAC because if you open that door they will take advantage of it and screw you? So what is basically being said is that if you seek change from within, don’t, and don’t seek change externally either just be happy with what you got or else?



Once the EOs leave I think it’s a fair assumption to say that the majority of those who remain voted against this contract and are unhappy with the performance of their union. They want change, so what should they do? Just trust the same people who jammed the latest eight year concessionary deal down their throats, as the IEC ignores the people they elected and decides to liquidate every local where the leaders were against the TA, to come up with change that will be to their benefit? Tell us how taking Title II out of the Maint locals, except OH, helps make things better? Tell us how cutting the number of maintenance local representatives in negotiation down to just two and increasing the presence of Fleet Service Dominated locals to ELEVEN helps ensure that whatever leaves the table will be determined by people elected by mechanics? So If line mechanics, both AMTs and Title II want to remain in the same locals you are basically telling them to sign a card for the IBT or AMFA aren’t you? I have to wonder, are you guys deliberately trying to get the mechanics to leave by making things so bad? Telling them to accept what ever the IEC determines they should have and don’t dare ask for anything because they will most certainly make sure you won’t like what they come up with?



By the way, show me the language that secures our ratio of mechanics to aircraft at 13 to 1. SWA only has narrowbodies, widebodies tend to use up more heads. What is the ratio of A&P mechanics? Sure AA may have 13 AMTs but three of them may be OSMs, parts Washers, Cleaners making much much less than our much much less paid A&Ps. what we should look at are labor costs when things settle down, AA may end up having labor costs that compare with other carriers but they will be getting A LOT MORE LABOR for their money. If UAL spends $500,000,000 on maint labor and only gets 5000 AMTs and Aa spends $500,000,000 on labor and gets 8000 AMTs which airline is getting the better deal and which group of workers is getting screwed?

 

[Bob Owens]

Are you really as stupid as you sound or does it take a lot of practice?

I agree that those topics are not of any consequence to this discussion, like the ones you guys were making about Gary Peterson. If you want to drag peoples personal lives into this dont complain when you get the same thrown back at you.

 

[strikeforce]

Again, apply the AMFA WN contract at AA. 2.75 AMTs per aircraft will take AA to 1,650 AMTs using their job protection language. But they are a single fleet operator so let's use CO, they have no scope language or job protection. They have an AMT ratio of 9 to 1 so that takes us to 5,400 AMTs. Even after the BK changes the new AMT per aircraft at AA will be 13 to 1 or 8,000 AMTs under the TWU scope language. Granted that headcount will fluctuate depending on new aircraft but we will always have more AMTs working in-house than AMFA or the IBT based on the TWU scope language. So

So you can have the AMFA pay, but you have to take the AMFA scope language as well. Same with the IBT contract.

You do understand that we had the UA/CO wages with job security and the scope language that had only about 10% of our work being outsourced in the May 2010 TA, right? You know, the one we vote down because the vote no coalition was going to get us more money.

Int'l officers don't get UBC. They are paid out of the TWU membership dues. You know, all 118,000 of them. Just like AMFA officers get paid out of the membership dues, you know all 2,700 of them. They did used to have 18,000 before they "fought" for more jobs and better wages.

 

[strikeforce]

Again, apply the AMFA WN contract at AA. 2.75 AMTs per aircraft will take AA to 1,650 AMTs using their job protection language. But they are a single fleet operator so let's use CO, they have no scope language or job protection. They have an AMT ratio of 9 to 1 so that takes us to 5,400 AMTs. Even after the BK changes the new AMT per aircraft at AA will be 13 to 1 or 8,000 AMTs under the TWU scope language. Granted that headcount will fluctuate depending on new aircraft but we will always have more AMTs working in-house than AMFA or the IBT based on the TWU scope language. So

So you can have the AMFA pay, but you have to take the AMFA scope language as well. Same with the IBT contract.

You do understand that we had the UA/CO wages with job security and the scope language that had only about 10% of our work being outsourced in the May 2010 TA, right? You know, the one we vote down because the vote no coalition was going to get us more money.

Int'l officers don't get UBC. They are paid out of the TWU membership dues. You know, all 118,000 of them. Just like AMFA officers get paid out of the membership dues, you know all 2,700 of them. They did used to have 18,000 before they "fought" for more jobs and better wages.

Wrong again!
INTL officers and reps are on UBC leave of absence. The only leave of absence where AA pays their salaries and benefits, but is reimbursed with membership dues. A leave of absence that is supposed to last 12 months or for the term in office. The only union business leave of absence not covered under the Baker Letter....and is actually covered in the CBA, and only article that wasn't touched by AA. So, what is the term for ATD Director Gless.....and INTL rep Videtich??? And, when are they coming back on the floor to live under the terms of the POS contract?? They do have term limits, right????

 

[strikeforce]

I still want to know if this includes ALL unions/organizations -- TWU, IBT, CWA, AMFA APA ...

The TWU for sure. How democratic is it when members don't have a direct input into INTL elections, and the elimination of their own local. AMFA at least allows observers at negotiations.......that at least keeps people accountable for their actions when someone else is watching.
I guess the ONLY democratic union that I've personally witnessed is the UAW. I remember my dad going to the local Holiday Inn to "hand vote" for local elections, INTL elections, contracts.....and just about anything else that needed membership attendance. His local had about 300 members.....and just about 99% of the members would show up. You talk about intimidating.....everytime the members raised their hands to vote....the heads would turn and check to see how you voted......but, the people didn't care because they took pride in voting!! That was a REAL democratic union!!

 

[Realityck]

I agree that those topics are not of any consequence to this discussion, like the ones you guys were making about Gary Peterson. If you want to drag peoples personal lives into this dont complain when you get the same thrown back at you.

Bob: I agree with you, but you do know that two of your guys started this, so let's end it.

 

[1AA]

Bob has followers? Wow, I'm shocked. I know who those followers are. Anyone who believes in improving this profession without putting money first. We all know who that leaves out.
I will not mention names. Don't want to be the bad guy here.

 

[DNTULSA]

Bob: I agree with you, but you do know that two of your guys started this, so let's end it.

reality chickey,

I asked overspeed to verify a statement that I had read here.


Did he get a secretary pregnant?

overspeed didn't answer but he sent his attack chicky after me!

Calling me stupid doesn't answer the question.

chicky, do you condone union officers getting secretarys pregnant out of wedlock?

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob: I agree with you, but you do know that two of your guys started this, so let's end it.

I didnt join it.

 

[MCI transplant]

11 to 2 we are screwed it will be worse than tule running things . gald I got the early out good riddens

Not to worry! It'll be ten years down the road before that will come into play!!!----- It's the same game the politions are playing in Washington! It's called "kick the can down the road, and let the next generation worry about it"!!!

 

[MCI transplant]

Oh, by the way! Yesterday was a red letter day for me!------ I severed my last ties with the TWU! ------- I threw out my last TWU "T" shirt!!! I wiped up an oil spill with it!

 

[Rogallo]

Your mental Dude. Get some help.