TWU one line local for maint.

[DNTULSA]

Nobody brings up the many stories about your relationship with that goat at the "Petting" Zoo and being kicked out DNTulsa. Your question and comment was about as stupid as what I just typed, now do you understand?

Overspeed has stated on here that he is an AMT at DFW, made a lot of money with hail damage repair.

If a Union official has done such a thing then why haven't any of the local presidents brought him up on charges like "Conduct Unbecoming"?

Wow!! This is getting serious! They have pulled realitychicky
out of the lineup, and sent the raptorman clone, acestinker in!

Grasshopper (or tinker) this situation could have been handled much easier by having overspeed say "no, it's not true". Instead, the chickenman and the a/c stinker are sent in to insult me. I didn't make the original statement about the pregnant secretary; I was just searching for the truth of the matter.

Sadly, I don't see enlightenment coming your way soon.

Now if I had decided to get ugly regarding the goat, I would have said that it was a mistake, I thought it was your identical twin sister.

But I didn't decide to get ugly, so I didn't say it.

Bless your heart!

 

[1AA]

OK boys lets get back on topic. PM each other if you want to discuss family pets and so on.

Back to our regularly scheduled program........

 

[Chuck Schalk]

OK boys lets get back on topic. PM each other if you want to discuss family pets and so on.

Back to our regularly scheduled program........

High Speed steel i tell you the members have had it with the TWU ATD and here is one letter that was circulated around JFK today.......

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: 10/7/2012 3:33:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: OCT. 4 2012 NEWS RELEASE RESPONSE


[background=transparent]TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN;[/background]

[background=transparent]WHY DIDN'T YOU MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU AND ALL YOU OVERPAID SPINELESS FATCAT TWU INTERNATIONAL LEADERSHIP CONNIVERS IN THE END ACTUALLY SOLD OUT THE AMERICAN AIRLINES MECHANICS AND HAD THE REVOLTING GALL TO EXTRACT AMERICAN AIRLINES A5 FLIGHT BENEFITS FOR THEMSELVES,FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS TRIBUTE FOR AIDING AND ABETTING MR HORTON'S SLASH AND BURN ,TAKE NO PRISONERS 6 YEAR CONTRACT.[/background]
[background=transparent]YOU ALL SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES.[/background]

[background=transparent]I HAVE BEEN A TWU MEMBER FOR OVER 44 YEARS AND HAVE WATCHED MR LITTLE SLOWLY AND WITH THE PRECISION OF A BRAIN SURGEON TAKE THE AA WORK FORCE DOWN TO THE MISERABLE SITUATION IT FINDS ITSELF WHILE HE AND HIS CADRE HAVE DEMANDED AND RECEIVED EXORBIDANT PERSONAL PAYRAISES AND ADDED PERKS, WITH SOME RECENTLY COMPLAINING THAT THEY ARE NOT PAID NEAR ENOUGH FOR THEIR "EXPERTISE","DEDICATION" AND "SERVICE". ...ALL THAT RANK AND FILE HARD EARNED CASH OVER THE YEARS SPENT FOR NOTHING BUT A CONSISTENT RECORD OF CORPORATED APPEASEMENT AND FACILITATION. WHAT A TRAVISTRY! [/background]

[background=transparent]I THANK GOD EVERY DAY THAT I AM NOW AT THE END OF MY "CAREER" BUT I HAVE NOTHING BUT FEAR AND TREPIDATION FOR ALL THOSE I LEAVE BEHIND FOR THEY WILL HAVE TO INDURE UNDER THE FALSE LEADERSHIP OF THE TWU INTERNATIONAL WHICH HAS EVLOVED INTO A DICTORIAL UNDEMOCRATIC MONSTER WITH MR LITTLE AS THE DOCTOR FRANENSTEIN OF HIS FOUL ENTERPRISE.[/background]

[background=transparent]I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THE INTERNATIONAL HAS IN STORE FOR THE MECHANICS AT AMERICAN AIRLINES...NEWS FLASH ..LOCAL CONSOLIDATION ...JUST A CYNICAL AND VINDICTIVE POWER GRAB BY THE INTERNATIONAL. IT IS ABSOLUTELY ASTOUNDING HOW IN SUCH SHORT TIME AFTER THE DOS THE INTERNATIONAL BEARS IT FANGS AND STIKES OUT AT THE RANK AND FILE.WHAT A SICK BUNCH OF UNION "LEADERS".[/background]
[background=transparent]I WOULD TELL YOU ALL TO GO TO HELL BUT SINCE THAT IS WHERE YOU ALL EMERGED FROM THAT WOULD BE EMPTY DIRECTIVE.[/background]
[background=transparent]THE ONLY SOLICE I HAVE FOUND IN THIS HOUSE OF PAIN IS THAT I AM NOT ALONE .EVERY PERSON I KNOW AT AMERICAN FEELS THE SAME WAY I DO AND IS READY AND WILLING AND ABLE TO DO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE TO END THIS AGONY.[/background]

[background=transparent]WHY DON'T YOU TELL THE PRESS AND THE PUBLIC THAT PART OF THE STORY WORTS AND ALL IN YOUR PRESS RELEASES? [/background]

 

[DNTULSA]

OK boys lets get back on topic. PM each other if you want to discuss family pets and so on.

Back to our regularly scheduled program........

1AA,

If someone insults me, I will reply.

You don't run this board.

 

[High Speed Steel]

High Speed steel i tell you the members have had it with the TWU ATD and here is one letter that was circulated around JFK today.......

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: 10/7/2012 3:33:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: OCT. 4 2012 NEWS RELEASE RESPONSE


[background=transparent]TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN;[/background]

[background=transparent]WHY DIDN'T YOU MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU AND ALL YOU OVERPAID SPINELESS FATCAT TWU INTERNATIONAL LEADERSHIP CONNIVERS IN THE END ACTUALLY SOLD OUT THE AMERICAN AIRLINES MECHANICS AND HAD THE REVOLTING GALL TO EXTRACT AMERICAN AIRLINES A5 FLIGHT BENEFITS FOR THEMSELVES,FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS TRIBUTE FOR AIDING AND ABETTING MR HORTON'S SLASH AND BURN ,TAKE NO PRISONERS 6 YEAR CONTRACT.[/background]
[background=transparent]YOU ALL SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES.[/background]

[background=transparent]I HAVE BEEN A TWU MEMBER FOR OVER 44 YEARS AND HAVE WATCHED MR LITTLE SLOWLY AND WITH THE PRECISION OF A BRAIN SURGEON TAKE THE AA WORK FORCE DOWN TO THE MISERABLE SITUATION IT FINDS ITSELF WHILE HE AND HIS CADRE HAVE DEMANDED AND RECEIVED EXORBIDANT PERSONAL PAYRAISES AND ADDED PERKS, WITH SOME RECENTLY COMPLAINING THAT THEY ARE NOT PAID NEAR ENOUGH FOR THEIR "EXPERTISE","DEDICATION" AND "SERVICE". ...ALL THAT RANK AND FILE HARD EARNED CASH OVER THE YEARS SPENT FOR NOTHING BUT A CONSISTENT RECORD OF CORPORATED APPEASEMENT AND FACILITATION. WHAT A TRAVISTRY! [/background]

[background=transparent]I THANK GOD EVERY DAY THAT I AM NOW AT THE END OF MY "CAREER" BUT I HAVE NOTHING BUT FEAR AND TREPIDATION FOR ALL THOSE I LEAVE BEHIND FOR THEY WILL HAVE TO INDURE UNDER THE FALSE LEADERSHIP OF THE TWU INTERNATIONAL WHICH HAS EVLOVED INTO A DICTORIAL UNDEMOCRATIC MONSTER WITH MR LITTLE AS THE DOCTOR FRANENSTEIN OF HIS FOUL ENTERPRISE.[/background]

[background=transparent]I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THE INTERNATIONAL HAS IN STORE FOR THE MECHANICS AT AMERICAN AIRLINES...NEWS FLASH ..LOCAL CONSOLIDATION ...JUST A CYNICAL AND VINDICTIVE POWER GRAB BY THE INTERNATIONAL. IT IS ABSOLUTELY ASTOUNDING HOW IN SUCH SHORT TIME AFTER THE DOS THE INTERNATIONAL BEARS IT FANGS AND STIKES OUT AT THE RANK AND FILE.WHAT A SICK BUNCH OF UNION "LEADERS".[/background]
[background=transparent]I WOULD TELL YOU ALL TO GO TO HELL BUT SINCE THAT IS WHERE YOU ALL EMERGED FROM THAT WOULD BE EMPTY DIRECTIVE.[/background]
[background=transparent]THE ONLY SOLICE I HAVE FOUND IN THIS HOUSE OF PAIN IS THAT I AM NOT ALONE .[/background]

[background=transparent]WHY DON'T YOU TELL THE PRESS AND THE PUBLIC THAT PART OF THE STORY WORTS AND ALL IN YOUR PRESS RELEASES? [/background]

Thanks for the update Chuck. This must be one of your station's early outers who is a little miffed because he is not getting a crystal eagle retirement gift from the company. Wow 44 years was a long run for this guy, best of luck to him in his retirement...

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Thanks for the update Chuck. This must be one of your station's early outers who is a little miffed because he is not getting a crystal eagle retirement gift from the company. Wow 44 years was a long run for this guy, best of luck to him in his retirement...

unfortunately, this is what I hear from the floor on a daily basis. So now you understand Bob Owens is not the problem as you claim. the members actually have their own opinion.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

unfortunately, this is what I hear from the floor on a daily basis. So now you understand Bob Owens is not the problem as you claim. the members actually have their own opinion.

And the opinion is that the twu is being replaced.

Hey, when does Gless get called up on Bad Standing charges for promoting AMFA?

 

[High Speed Steel]

unfortunately, this is what I hear from the floor on a daily basis. So now you understand Bob Owens is not the problem as you claim. the members actually have their own opinion.

Perhaps once local 591 is formed and elections are held things will improve at your station. Sometimes like they say "attitude reflects leadership".

 

[High Speed Steel]

And the opinion is that the twu is being replaced.

TWU being replaced? Play your hand, or go sit in the truck...

 

[1AA]

1AA,

If someone insults me, I will reply.

You don't run this board.

I never claimed to run the board. I have seen good topics get shut down because they drift away from the topic at hand. Some of the stuff posted on this topic got real personal and I hate to see this topic get closed for it. I suggested PM because that is a better way to deal with the personal attacks.

 

[AC Tynker]

Wow!! This is getting serious! They have pulled realitychicky
out of the lineup, and sent the raptorman clone, acestinker in!

Grasshopper (or tinker) this situation could have been handled much easier by having overspeed say "no, it's not true". Instead, the chickenman and the a/c stinker are sent in to insult me. I didn't make the original statement about the pregnant secretary; I was just searching for the truth of the matter.

Sadly, I don't see enlightenment coming your way soon.

Now if I had decided to get ugly regarding the goat, I would have said that it was a mistake, I thought it was your identical twin sister.

But I didn't decide to get ugly, so I didn't say it.

Bless your heart!

lol, Your so methodical in your answers sometimes. How is it that you came to the conclusion that Overspeed can answer that question? Nobody sent me, I love conversing with you.
Seriously though, if an officer in the ATD has done something such as you are insinuating why have the current presidents of JFK and DFW and AFW and ORD and MIA not tried to bring him up on charges before the local change happens? If someone actually did what you insinuate I agree they should not be in office.

 

[1AA]

Perhaps once local 591 is formed and elections are held things will improve at your station. Sometimes like they say "attitude reflects leadership".

Keep believing your own crap. The only ones benefiting is the International. All it does is save them from taking a pay cut. I'm not too concerned though because soon enough the TWU will no longer represent us anymore. Then you can take local 591 and bury it just like you are doing to the line locals.

 

[MCI transplant]

TWU being replaced? Play your hand, or go sit in the truck...

What's the matter High Speed? Getting a little nervous?

 

[Buck]

Nobody brings up the many stories about your relationship with that goat at the "Petting" Zoo and being kicked out DNTulsa. Your question and comment was about as stupid as what I just typed, now do you understand?

Overspeed has stated on here that he is an AMT at DFW, made a lot of money with hail damage repair.

If a Union official has done such a thing then why haven't any of the local presidents brought him up on charges like "Conduct Unbecoming"?

Let me just say that at least one former President of Local 514 has been seen on a family outing without his real family. To bring such information forward is a choice that I did not make. Conduct unbecoming has been going on ever since the "B-Scale" at American Airlines and the TWU.

 

[Overspeed]

Yes, I am looking for change from within, and faced criticism for it, ironically from the same people who come hear and tell guys "dont sign IBT/AMFA cards, seek change from within". I made proposals, nearly four years ago, as to how we could make changes to better meet our expectations and these proposals were twisted and contorted into something worse than what we have now. Then I hear from those same people who often say “Don’t sign cards for another union, just seek change from within” come back and tell those of us who try to change from within “you better be careful what you ask for”. Why? Why should we be careful when we ask our union for changes? Be careful what you ask for is normally advice given to people who are in an adversarial position, not allies. The implication is that if you ask for something they will screw you while claiming they are meeting your request. Is that what these people are saying, be careful what you ask from the IAC because if you open that door they will take advantage of it and screw you? So what is basically being said is that if you seek change from within, don’t, and don’t seek change externally either just be happy with what you got or else?



Once the EOs leave I think it’s a fair assumption to say that the majority of those who remain voted against this contract and are unhappy with the performance of their union. They want change, so what should they do? Just trust the same people who jammed the latest eight year concessionary deal down their throats, as the IEC ignores the people they elected and decides to liquidate every local where the leaders were against the TA, to come up with change that will be to their benefit? Tell us how taking Title II out of the Maint locals, except OH, helps make things better? Tell us how cutting the number of maintenance local representatives in negotiation down to just two and increasing the presence of Fleet Service Dominated locals to ELEVEN helps ensure that whatever leaves the table will be determined by people elected by mechanics? So If line mechanics, both AMTs and Title II want to remain in the same locals you are basically telling them to sign a card for the IBT or AMFA aren’t you? I have to wonder, are you guys deliberately trying to get the mechanics to leave by making things so bad? Telling them to accept what ever the IEC determines they should have and don’t dare ask for anything because they will most certainly make sure you won’t like what they come up with?



By the way, show me the language that secures our ratio of mechanics to aircraft at 13 to 1. SWA only has narrowbodies, widebodies tend to use up more heads. What is the ratio of A&P mechanics? Sure AA may have 13 AMTs but three of them may be OSMs, parts Washers, Cleaners making much much less than our much much less paid A&Ps. what we should look at are labor costs when things settle down, AA may end up having labor costs that compare with other carriers but they will be getting A LOT MORE LABOR for their money. If UAL spends $500,000,000 on maint labor and only gets 5000 AMTs and Aa spends $500,000,000 on labor and gets 8000 AMTs which airline is getting the better deal and which group of workers is getting screwed?

The changes for the locals are better. How do you know that the plan isn't to merge in to one local eventually? Do you know? Isn't that what you want? You need to ask questions Bob. You are talking about things you know nothing about because you weren't at the Presidents Council. You should tell the Title II guys to wait until you get all the info. Stop going off half cocked like usual. You are still a President, act like one for once.

The ratio is what it will be per the transition plan. Read it and run your own calculations. Fact is of 65% of maintenance labor and material spend (does not include rotables) is insourced then that is a lot of jobs. If you read the IBT language they have no cap other than they won't close SFO. How many jobs have to stay inhouse under that clause? And AMFA, the lock in at 2.75 per aircraft and as I showed you, that is a lot less AMTs then we have now. Sure they locked in four lines but so what. How many AMTs is that Bob? It could be anything. Why? Because the heavy package changes based on MRB. If new aircraft come in to them that require less MHs on the C Check guess what, fewer heads. The TWU language locks in 65% has to be done in-house and yes the work load will drop with new aircraft but guess what, new aircraft get old and then the work will go back up and 65% of that new spend will have to be done in-house. Under the AMFA and IBT there is no such language that brings work back in as the work load goes up. AMFA has a fleet count number and they get another line. WOW! Awesome. Their language brings in 100 jobs maybe, our brings in thousands.

Thanks for making the argument for outsourcing. the 3,000 AMTs that don't work for UA because that work is now done by AAR, ST Aero, TIMCO, ATS, AMECO, and HAECO are ecstatic they lost they lost their jobs so the remaining 5,000 could get $38. Bob, you know how else would be making $38 and more for the last 2.5 years and still keep overhaul in-house? YOU, if you had voted yes but you recommended we vote no. Like Charlie Sheen says, "WINNING!"