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I know Bob the prophet is your President so your blind support doesn't surprise me at all. However, I heard this morning that his bosom buddy Gary Peterson, President of Local 567, is an AA management wanabee who applied for several management positions but had to settle for Local President. You guys should sure travel in some elite circles. I'm impressed.
Chuck Schalk
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you are really reaching here, Bob has no special deal and his members are ok with his representation. the only one who compains about him is you. If anyone has special deals it is our international reps.
Please defend A5 first class positive space for Int'l reps and their families on business and vacation? That is not a special deal
Defend the fact that int'l officers have a seperate TWU pension that increases 5% every year
Defend the fact that int'l officers make more than twice the members they represent
Defend the fact that the Int'l officers told us that non-union maintenance doing work on our ramp was ok prior to the LBO
so who has the deal?
Overspeed
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Chuck was removed for not following the TWU Constitution by the International. The same Constitution you either follow or you don't. You like rules as long as they are your rules Ken.
I am neither against nor for appointments. They are appropriate when selecting someone based on skills that meet the requirements for the job. Most positions within the TWU are elected either through direct balloting or through indirect voting through delegates. This is not uncommon and is used in many organizations. AMFA has directly voted in their senior representatives this is true. Depending on how you measure success you can make the argument of which process is better of direct election is your only measure.
AMFA has negotiated top wages to its AMTs at AS and WN this is true. If that is your measure and you credit direct election than you win.
TWU has negotiated a higher number of AMT jobs at AA than any other airline. If number of jobs is your measure than the TWU wins by a landslide.
AMFA had 18,000 members in 2004 and as of 2011 now has 2,700. That's 85% of their members lost their jobs. The TWU had 15,000 AMT members at its peak in 2001 and will have about 8,500 left after reductions related to outsourcing. That's about 40% of its members out of work.
So direct election of officers got you the team that got top pay for 15% of its members and the others lost their jobs. Sweet. Not even you Ken will have a job under that scenario.
Chuck Schalk
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the model you speak was set up by one of your own. Ask Bobby Gless who set the wages of the president of local 562 as he was the charter president.
you know overspeed, you speak without thinking alot, maybe you should refrain from throwing dull barbs at people and look where the problem really is in Hurst texas!
Overspeed
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AMFA. They have 2,700 members and their president get about $150K. The TWU has 118,000 members and the president gets $225K. At AMFA that is $55 per member and at the TWU it is $2 per member.
At AMFA Delle got a $550K annuity after losing 15,300 members (or 85%) their jobs and then AMFA changed their constitution so no one else gets the same deal. That's sweet!
Does the TWU "own" the ramp? Was that negotiated in our contract? No. We have the right to do the work on AA planes and equipment, not other airlines equipment.
Bob has a special deal. If skipping his required duties as president and getting paid for it is okay then he has a very special deal Chuck. He was paid UBB to perform official union business. Running around playing martyr while his official duties required him to be in DFW is dereliction of duty. Can you go to AA and do other stuff while getting paid to work on airplanes? Oh that's right, you are an Avionics CC. I forgot.
Overspeed
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There are problems there but they do not start there. They start with each one of us.
Yes Bobby helped set up your local but if now you are blaming him for it after you and Bob have been there to right the wrongs for years is BS. Then cut your pay. Set the example. You won't because that's BS. You say layoff more AMTs so you can get more pay. So now the TWU is consolidating to afford the way it runs and you call BS? Chuck, give it a chance. Get involved, help fix the problems with the union. Changing unions and tearing down your own union is helping no one but AA. We got dealt a shitty hand.
I agree, bickering on this website and batting back and forth does nothing but show how disorganized organized labor really is. So tell your President to stop trying to push his agenda from the outside and start working from the inside. This union got in to this mess through years of not modernizing but now we can fix it. Bob said he wanted one local in his letter. Is that still not a good idea? Then keeping pushing that. Is he giving up already because he didn't get it his way? Tell him not to roll over and keep pushing for it.
Ken MacTiernan
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The problem with the twu is the undemocratic, unaccountable structure of the twu.
"Get involved, help fix the problems with the union."
Oh, you mean "Change from within"? That's bullshit and you know it. Read the first sentence as to why the"Change from within" plea from you is hollow.
"We" got dealt a shitty hand? Not the international officers! So who exactly is "we"?
How can you accuse people of tearing down the union when the twu doesn't act like a union? I forgot, if someone points out that the twu isn't democratic or accountable and tries to elect a craft union that is they are brought up on bad standing charges. Well, where is Gless' hearing for bad standing? He promoted AMFA... Until he drank from the "Black Chalice of Greed".
There is no bickering on this web site. There are only people who are tired of the twu's undemocratic and unaccountable ways and alias using twu tools unable to defend the twu.
Go AMFA!
High Speed Steel
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ken, you should try to come up with something new. Your tired line of words (you excuse yourself from standing true too) since you bailed out of your elected position are stale, and have little effect. Don't know if you noticed, but the TWU saved many Union jobs today with the announcement of the EO/SIS numbers and how they have eroded the layoff numbers of quality Union jobs. Seems the TWU did a fantastic job at saving many members and their families today and hopefully those who may have to leave us will be short lived before they are to be recalled to their former positions...
So what you are saying is the more members a Union has the higher paid Union reps should be? So thats the true motive behind 'saving jobs"?
If the average mechanic at one Union makes $100k a year and their President gets $150k and the average mechanic at another Union gets $68K and their President gets $225K then who is getting the better deal? Would you pay rather $55 more to make $32k more or would you rather just pay $2 and settle for $68k instead of the $100K?
Dumb argument, you really need to stick to the personal attacks on me or wait till you are sober before you type.
Special deal? Yes, I do, never asked for it and didn't #### about it when they decided to take it away, now the International is trying to use the fact that they took it away as an excuse to force us into their version of change.
I'm willing to work inside, I tried. I made the suggestion, that the leaders of the line Locals meet with Jim Little in DC and put together a plan, but the Title II issue had to be fixed first, put it to a vote, they either come with us and stay in our book or go to the Title III locals and get their own book. I would prefer they come with us. But we cant have another disaster like the last negotiations with Fleet service clerks having the right to sit in and vote on an M&R Contract. what the International has put in front of us could potentially add three more FSCs to the M&R Negotiating Committee and reduce the number of AMTs to just two. You claim that you are a mechanic and you are OK with that?
So instead of us meeting with the International they decide to broadcast this and ram it down our throats with very short notice, sparse details and the ability to give input after the fact. Whats the rush? Whats really insulting is that apparently the company knew about this before we did, I was ready to bid, the company told me that they didn't have a spot for me to bid,that they weren't pulling back the UBB till December when I asked why they seemed to be scrambling for an explanation, now I know. It seems as if they are deliberately trying to get rid of the mechanics. We all know that the line guys are willling to try something else, anything else, but its been that way for a long time but this move will likely even turn those who were supporters. How do you think the Title II guys will react to being told where they are going without any say whatsoever?
What did the International do when they were running short on cash? Did they cut anybody's six figure salary so they could retain heads? No they laid people off. Imagine that, a union that tells its members that its better to give the company everything they want and accept concession if it may avoid anybody getting laid off but then they go straight to a layoff.
I've said I agree with the one local concept, but it has to be one that fixes the structural problems in the Union and one that has buy in from the members, not one where all the Locals that pushed for a No vote are liquidated and have their Title II mechanics forcibly relocated to Title III dominated Locals and potentially adds three more Fleet service clerks to the M&R negotiations.
Bunch of scumbags!
I think you need to look around you Chuck. There is a problem, but I believe it may be with one of your & Bob's bud's and staunch supporters, Gary Peterson from Bedford Texas!
I heard this morning that Bob's bosom buddy Gary Peterson, President of Local 567, is an AA management wanabee who applied for several management positions but had to settle for Local President. You guys should sure travel in some elite circles. I'm impressed.
Also, I apologize because I miss-poke and one of the Local officers corrected me. Gary Peterson is actually President of Local 565, not 567. BTW, since a number of you have criticized the Int'l for traveling on A-5's, how do you feel about your Local President buddy Peterson traveling on A-4's???? He's a real management wanabee who travels in the high style he'd like to maintain once they find an opening for him. Ask him, you know he wouldn't lie about it to his friends would he? (that's a joke son, he lies when his lips move).
No what you really need to look at is that Jimmy Little's secretary makes more than any AMT at any airline even the top paying ones what does that tell you? Tell you what come down on AMFA all you want I got a 13 dollar an hr raise in 2001 when the Iam couldn't get us jack. This was pre 9/11... You want to talk about lost members? The Iam has lost thousands and rightfully so. I make over 100k straight time and am non-union. Who do you think got us to that wage? Wasn't the Iam or Twu or Ibt I can tell you that. I might have lost my career at NWA but I faired pretty damn well as have the rest of my friends I got in here. I have no doubt my high salary was the direct result of our fight and us raising the bar at NWA in 2001..When has the Iam Twu or Ibt raised the bar for AMT's?? In the 26 years I have been a mechanic I can tell you I have never seen it.
All the stuff you are throwing out about Gary came out during the election, and he won. I did ask about the A-4 after the ATD brought it up, and denied getting A-4 (they get A-5s, my bad). His A-4 is also known, and he didn't sell us out to get it.
BTW, Jim Little was in AA management.
